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    Post  Electioneer on 11.09.09 0:38

    To get the political blood flowing perhaps we could spark some discussion about politics on the forum. Probably not the best idea but whatever. I guess try to keep it civil as possible.

    Topic: Pres. Obama's address to congress regarding healthcare reform


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    Post  xplodingbunnys on 11.09.09 10:41

    All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

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    Post  Guest on 11.09.09 14:13

    I think the idea behind making kids watch his press conferences is to literally FORCE them to act, or at least know whats going on, in politics. You'd be suprised to find that most Americans have NO clue what is going on in politics, nor do they care. Schools arent trying to brain wash kids to Obama, they are trying to get them into the habit of keeping tabs on politics, that way their vote can actually make a difference.
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    Post  Hans on 11.09.09 14:19

    SCB airsoft wrote:All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

    Wow.

    Yeah our school gave us the decision to leave the classroom and sit in the theatre for the duration of the speech.
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    Post  jkeeble2 on 11.09.09 14:24

    i am not gonna lie that wasn't thought out very well i mean every teacher was trying to stream the same video so it just ended up that no one watched the speech. so mark another one up for the brilliance of our politicians in Washington. cheers
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    Post  Tinman on 11.09.09 14:31

    jkeeble2 wrote:i am not gonna lie that wasn't thought out very well i mean every teacher was trying to stream the same video so it just ended up that no one watched the speech. so mark another one up for the brilliance of our politicians in Washington. cheers

    This seems to be a case where both BANDWIDTH and BRAINWIDTH were drastically exceeded! affraid affraid
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    Post  jkeeble2 on 11.09.09 14:33

    Tinman wrote:
    jkeeble2 wrote:i am not gonna lie that wasn't thought out very well i mean every teacher was trying to stream the same video so it just ended up that no one watched the speech. so mark another one up for the brilliance of our politicians in Washington. cheers

    This seems to be a case where both BANDWIDTH and BRAINWIDTH were drastically exceeded! affraid affraid
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    Post  WPeake23 [SOTHG] on 11.09.09 15:45

    Personally I think if our president can't give a speech to kids about staying in school, and working hard without a big controversy, that's ridiculous. I understand most of you don't agree with most of what he says, nor do I, but talking about school.... Come on guys. really?
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    Post  Lone Wolf on 11.09.09 16:05

    Indeed will. I saw this issue no different than having a guest speaker comming to your own school and trying to pep you up about school and its benefits. The speaker being the president, and the oval office as the theater.

    Government intervention in your education is nothing new at all. No-child-Left Behind..."Is our childrens learning?"

    I don't agree with the president on a lot of things but the way how this became a controversy in a couple of states just seems absurd. + A lot of "liberal brainwashing" doesn't come from public school. No the most notorious places are the colleges, the professors will attempt to put on their spin or ideology on any controversial subject. Whether it be evolution or economics...etc.
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    Post  Tinman on 11.09.09 16:15

    I guess we are all off-topic since Reed asked about the address to congress rather than the address to schools. Plain and simple it is a bunch of manure. Nationalized healthcare is an impossibility. I am likely one of the only individuals here who has lived in a socialist country that "provides" socialized medicine . . . what is "socialized" is the long lines!
    People wait forever to have the chance to see a doctor only to get a referral rather than treatment. Let's face it: people of means from countries with "national healthcare plans" come to the US to get treatment because they cannot get it there. The United States is a great country that SUCKS everytime it tries to screw with capitalism! EVERY time the government sets out to take over something that should be handled by the private sector it only makes it worse.
    If they cannot handle the postal system they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle Cash for Clunkers they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle enough bandwith for the president to speak THEY CANNOT HANDLE HEALTHCARE!!
    Hence: His speech to congress . . . MANURE! Evil or Very Mad
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    Post  WPeake23 [SOTHG] on 11.09.09 16:21

    Tinman wrote:I guess we are all off-topic since Reed asked about the address to congress rather than the address to schools. Plain and simple it is a bunch of manure. Nationalized healthcare is an impossibility. I am likely one of the only individuals here who has lived in a socialist country that "provides" socialized medicine . . . what is "socialized" is the long lines!
    People wait forever to have the chance to see a doctor only to get a referral rather than treatment. Let's face it: people of means from countries with "national healthcare plans" come to the US to get treatment because they cannot get it there. The United States is a great country that SUCKS everytime it tries to screw with capitalism! EVERY time the government sets out to take over something that should be handled by the private sector it only makes it worse.
    If they cannot handle the postal system they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle Cash for Clunkers they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle enough bandwith for the president to speak THEY CANNOT HANDLE HEALTHCARE!!
    Hence: His speech to congress . . . MANURE! Evil or Very Mad

    When did the postal system fail?
    When did Cash for Clunkers fail?
    When did they take control of TV? I'm not trying to start anything, I want these question answered.
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    Post  Tinman on 11.09.09 16:56

    WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:When did the postal system fail?
    When did Cash for Clunkers fail?
    When did they take control of TV? I'm not trying to start anything, I want these question answered.

    The postal system still exists ONLY because it is illegal for anyone to compete with letter carrying . . . they fail because they do not generate profit . . . the taxpayers fund it in addition to the costs . . . hence, FAIL.

    Cash for Clunkers failed because they have not paid the dealers AND it is only possible by spending tax dollars . . . hence, FAIL.

    Don't recall anyone saying anything about TV?? Question

    Essentially, with the basic exceptions of Military and Transportation if you cannot provide a service without taking funds by act of congress (point of gun) out of the pocket of one man to support the welfare of another . . . FAIL.
    In my humble tax-paying opinion.
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    Post  WPeake23 [SOTHG] on 11.09.09 17:38

    If the government doesn't get money from taxes where do you want them to get it from?
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    Post  Gunny1.5 on 11.09.09 18:04

    Tinman wrote:
    WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:When did the postal system fail?
    When did Cash for Clunkers fail?
    When did they take control of TV? I'm not trying to start anything, I want these question answered.

    The postal system still exists ONLY because it is illegal for anyone to compete with letter carrying . . . they fail because they do not generate profit . . . the taxpayers fund it in addition to the costs . . . hence, FAIL.

    Cash for Clunkers failed because they have not paid the dealers AND it is only possible by spending tax dollars . . . hence, FAIL.

    Don't recall anyone saying anything about TV?? Question

    Essentially, with the basic exceptions of Military and Transportation if you cannot provide a service without taking funds by act of congress (point of gun) out of the pocket of one man to support the welfare of another . . . FAIL.
    In my humble tax-paying opinion.

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    I agree 100% Tinman
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    Post  WPeake23 [SOTHG] on 11.09.09 18:08

    China is already lending us mad amounts of money. We need to become self dependent or we'll all be learning Chinese 40 years from now.
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    Post  xplodingbunnys on 11.09.09 18:18

    Yeah but if Bush was still in office they wouldn't make the kids watch him . If bush had a press conference about health care nobody would care about him . I see your point about kids learning about politics it's just they wouldn't make kids watch Bush but they make kids watch Obama .
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    Post  Q-bald on 11.09.09 18:25

    WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:China is already lending us mad amounts of money. We need to become self dependent or we'll all be learning Chinese 40 years from now.

    YES! "Self Dependence" NOT Government Dependence is the answer! cheers
    Smaller Government is a large part of the answer. This would be a good start to fewer taxes.
    Besides I DONT need a "Make sure you brush your teeth Czar" or any other ridiculous Government Official that this Administration seems to keep appointing. And you should already know Chinese!
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    Post  Tinman on 11.09.09 18:41

    WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:If the government doesn't get money from taxes where do you want them to get it from?

    They do not need money unless they are meddling where they do not belong. I know I am the 41 year old fart that I am but this country was not founded to collect taxes and provide social programs!
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    Post  navyseal1000 on 11.09.09 18:52

    Why is this a thread? Discussing politics can lead to making enemies and starting fights.
    My Mom had a huge fight with others on politics before and many times and all she and the others did was make enemies
    This thread needs to be deleted.
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    Post  WPeake23 [SOTHG] on 11.09.09 19:22

    SCB airsoft wrote:Yeah but if Bush was still in office they wouldn't make the kids watch him . If bush had a press conference about health care nobody would care about him . I see your point about kids learning about politics it's just they wouldn't make kids watch Bush but they make kids watch Obama .

    I didn't hear about anyone having to watch him because of the giant ruckus there was over it.
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    Post  Electioneer on 11.09.09 20:09

    navyseal1000 wrote:Why is this a thread? Discussing politics can lead to making enemies and starting fights.
    My Mom had a huge fight with others on politics before and many times and all she and the others did was make enemies
    This thread needs to be deleted.

    This is a thread because it is a good thing to discuss where our country is headed and broadcast our opinions.

    Discussion can lead to making enemies if you allow yourself to get out of control. If people get too riled up about what somebody else thinks they shouldn't post here. If you think you will get offended by someone else's opinion then you don't have to post here.


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    Post  sealdude36 on 11.09.09 22:06

    jkeeble2 wrote:
    Tinman wrote:
    jkeeble2 wrote:i am not gonna lie that wasn't thought out very well i mean every teacher was trying to stream the same video so it just ended up that no one watched the speech. so mark another one up for the brilliance of our politicians in Washington. cheers

    This seems to be a case where both BANDWIDTH and BRAINWIDTH were drastically exceeded! affraid affraid
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    Post  Stalker on 11.09.09 22:30

    SCB airsoft wrote:All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

    At my school we did not watch the speech at all. The teachers said it was too much of a hassle to worry about offending people or not, and no one wants to have parents sign stupid papers just to watch the PRESIDENT give a speech.

    If you ask me, it is our PRESIDENT for goodness sake. You may not like him but at least give him the decency of his office and listen.
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    Post  frog on 11.09.09 23:05

    GOVERNMENT IS AT BEST A NECESSARY EVIL!

    Since people and societies tend to lack the self control necessary to live peaceably with one another, we find there is a need for a system of laws. The US Government is certainly the best idea to date. The problem with government, no matter what party is in charge, is that by its very nature is is self perpetuating. Lawmakers feel they were elected to enact law, not uphold law. Thus, each year thousands of new laws and regulations find their way onto the books. Some seem so necessary and pressing. Many are sold to us by creating a panic over the newest crisis. Every new law that is enacted is one less choice you get to make in life. Every dollar confiscated from your paycheck is a dollar you don't get to choose how to spend.

    I believe every politician in Washington has earned our complete DISTRUST. They speak in platitudes while operating in the gutter. They pat you on the back while snapping a rubber glove on the other hand. They tell you all the problems they want to solve, and each solution creates a bigger problem. They decry the greed on Wall Street while taking payments under the table. They claim to be for the common man, but are truly only beholden to special interests. And in the end the only interest they are after is that of being reelected.

    No one ever retires from Congress a poor man or woman. Congress exempts themselves from the onerous and obtrusive laws they pass. They talk about budget cuts and fiscal responsibility, but the budget never gets smaller. They give moneys and perks to special interests and even family members in their states, all the while claiming to be free from corruption. Never be fooled. Congress is not looking out for your welfare, they are looking for your vote. And once they have it, they will forget what they told you to get it.

    As for Government waste, Federal Government MISPLACES as much money each year as a medium sized Fortune 500 company will gross. They simply cannot find billions of dollars. The US Postal Service lost 9 billion dollars last year, while losing 2 billion the year before. And Congress, who is the overseer of this dinosaur, can't seem to decide how to fix it, because they know if they make the business decisions that will prolong its life a few more years, they will alienate the labor organizations, and dollars they control, that represent better than 75 percent of the Postal work force. Not to mention Congress turning a blind eye to Social security which the GAO has projected to 7 trillion dollars in the red by 2035. Or medicare that will be 34 Trillion dollars upside down by 2040. Why, because they would rather have your vote now than truly solve a problem looming in the future, and possibly alienate voters who have grown so dependent on federal programs they have lost the ability to think for themselves.

    That is part of what I think about Congress. There should be term limits and service should be voluntary only with no pay or reward. Maybe then we can elect people who care about people and not votes and enriching themselves.

    God Bless America, the greatest country on earth. I just hope it can stay that way.


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    Post  reconsniperga on 11.09.09 23:11

    IMO, I lol'd with joy when Congressman Joe Wilson, yelled "You Lie!" just due to the fact that we may actually have a smart person up there. First of let me tell you right now, that my personal views (coming from a 15yr old's mind) are very conservative.

    I don't care that if Pres. Obama makes a speech to all students, schools CANNOT make EVERYONE watch/pay attention to it. My school had opt-out forums for students who didn't want to watch it, and only the English and History classes watched it. I didn't watch it because I didn't have any English or History Classes. But, I do personally believe that my generation of citizens need to be involved in politics due to the fact that we will one day be in the same situations that our government is going through.

    Also I want to point out that people who don't like the government or just don't support the government have every right to do so. It’s just that no matter what, we have to live with some sort of government, and our current government is not going to change. BUT we all need to make sure that WE THE PEOPLE (Quoted from one of my previous posts) are running the government, and that the aren't making changes without our input (healthcare).


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