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    Post  frog 11.09.09 23:15

    As far as the President talking to students:


    When the Federal Government created the Department of Education, the states thought it was a good idea because now they could get their hands on Federal dollars to use for State education. One problem though. Federal dollars always come with strings. Now States have to comply with Federal standards to get the money. Oops. The Department Of Education is part of the executive branch, and thus falls directly under the leadership of the President. Therefore no one has the right to complain about the President speaking to students, because he is, by chain of command, the head Principal. So everyone can whine if they want, but this is one of the consequences of giving control of education to the federal government.
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    Post  Tinman 12.09.09 6:14

    Ditto what Frog said so eloquently!
    You are a gentleman and a scholar sir!! cheers
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    Post  Bulldog94 12.09.09 13:20

    Tinman wrote:I guess we are all off-topic since Reed asked about the address to congress rather than the address to schools. Plain and simple it is a bunch of manure. Nationalized healthcare is an impossibility. I am likely one of the only individuals here who has lived in a socialist country that "provides" socialized medicine . . . what is "socialized" is the long lines!
    People wait forever to have the chance to see a doctor only to get a referral rather than treatment. Let's face it: people of means from countries with "national healthcare plans" come to the US to get treatment because they cannot get it there. The United States is a great country that SUCKS everytime it tries to screw with capitalism! EVERY time the government sets out to take over something that should be handled by the private sector it only makes it worse.
    If they cannot handle the postal system they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle Cash for Clunkers they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle enough bandwith for the president to speak THEY CANNOT HANDLE HEALTHCARE!!
    Hence: His speech to congress . . . MANURE! Evil or Very Mad

    AGREED!!!!!
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    Post  xplodingbunnys 12.09.09 13:31

    Hans wrote:
    SCB airsoft wrote:All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

    Wow.

    Yeah our school gave us the decision to leave the classroom and sit in the theatre for the duration of the speech.


    I don't think a lot of people understand me i had a lot of friends that were forced to watch it . So a lot of my friends skip school .
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    Post  xplodingbunnys 12.09.09 13:33

    Bulldog94 wrote:
    Tinman wrote:I guess we are all off-topic since Reed asked about the address to congress rather than the address to schools. Plain and simple it is a bunch of manure. Nationalized healthcare is an impossibility. I am likely one of the only individuals here who has lived in a socialist country that "provides" socialized medicine . . . what is "socialized" is the long lines!
    People wait forever to have the chance to see a doctor only to get a referral rather than treatment. Let's face it: people of means from countries with "national healthcare plans" come to the US to get treatment because they cannot get it there. The United States is a great country that SUCKS everytime it tries to screw with capitalism! EVERY time the government sets out to take over something that should be handled by the private sector it only makes it worse.
    If they cannot handle the postal system they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle Cash for Clunkers they cannot handle healthcare!
    If they cannot handle enough bandwith for the president to speak THEY CANNOT HANDLE HEALTHCARE!!
    Hence: His speech to congress . . . MANURE! Evil or Very Mad

    AGREED!!!!!

    Yeah all of what you just said is so true .
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    Post  WPeake23 [SOTHG] 12.09.09 17:22

    SCB airsoft wrote:
    Hans wrote:
    SCB airsoft wrote:All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

    Wow.

    Yeah our school gave us the decision to leave the classroom and sit in the theatre for the duration of the speech.


    I don't think a lot of people understand me i had a lot of friends that were forced to watch it . So a lot of my friends skip school .

    Come on now. It's not bad enough that they needed to skip school. IMO A good American needs to be able to at least watch our president talk about something non political, without being like that about it.
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    Post  jjay3200 15.09.09 20:56

    SCB airsoft wrote:All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

    come on cut some slck hes our nation president if your going to talk bad about him you acting unamerican please be polite

    SCB airsoft wrote:Yeah but if Bush was still in office they wouldn't make the kids watch him . If bush had a press conference about health care nobody would care about him . I see your point about kids learning about politics it's just they wouldn't make kids watch Bush but they make kids watch Obama .

    yeah cause bush was such a smart president and he dont do things obama is trying to bring this country back from what the bush administration caused
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    Post  Admin 15.09.09 21:53

    Alright, some rules for this thread.
    #1. NO FLAMING. Be polite.
    #2. Don't beat a dead horse. Make your point, and if the conversation isn't going anywhere, then feel free to propose a new topic.
    #3. Know what you're talking about. Please don't go listen to a fringe talk show and assume that what is said there is fact. If you're looking for some unbiased sources, NPR, CSPAN( yeah, I know, it's dry) and PBS's The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer are good places to start, as they're both pretty moderate. FactCheck.org is also a pretty good resource.

    We'll start off with some general, broad questions, and then we'll move on to the more specific stuff.
    And on to the next topic...

    Is it better when the White House and Congress are controlled by the same party, or when one party controls both?
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    Post  |337 15.09.09 22:04

    So how 'bout obamas comments on kayne west?
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    Post  Newnan Airsoft Player 15.09.09 22:05

    |337 wrote:So how 'bout obamas comments on kayne west?
    ya lol
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    Post  jjay3200 15.09.09 23:51

    |337 wrote:So how 'bout obamas comments on kayne west?

    kanye west is a big jack <CENSORED> for staching that mic from taylor first he souldnt have did it in the first place second by doing that he made him self look like a fool

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    Hans wrote:
    SCB airsoft wrote:All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

    Wow.

    Yeah our school gave us the decision to leave the classroom and sit in the theatre for the duration of the speech.


    I don't think a lot of people understand me i had a lot of friends that were forced to watch it . So a lot of my friends skip school .

    Come on now. It's not bad enough that they needed to skip school. IMO A good American needs to be able to at least watch our president talk about something non-political, without being like that about it.

    you cant be forced to do something you dont want to but he is the president and i think what your saying about him is very un american so if your a true american which i know you are you will stand up and support our president cut him some slack its going to take aleast a year in a have to undo the damage bush left this country in he only been in office 8 months and he has months to go before we can even think about down playing him he is by far the smartest president we have ever had so yes he promised change and just hold on my friend change is coming slowly but it coming you can tell some goverment offical have said on the news today that the recession end is near so isnt that good to hear so obama is doing everything he can for us to make a smooth recovery and a better america the only thing that will take sometime to fix is the job siuation
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    Post  Guest 16.09.09 0:22

    No. The most american thing you can do is speak your mind about politics freely, be it contrary to the President's ideas or not. An UnAmerican ideal would be to blindly follow your leaders. As for the statement of him being the smartest president by far, that cant be proven, let alone argued soundly. Hes been in office for less than a year.
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    Post  {ACE}Steve-o 16.09.09 1:31

    jjay, there is such thing as periods.

    back on topic now.

    I think Bush took the fall for what Clinton set up.

    How can a nation expect an economy to succeed at a time of war?? Has it ever in the past? If Obama would have been in Bush's shoes at that particular time, the economy would have plunged just as it did. One man didnt put American into trillions of dollars of debt.

    Also, if you have researched many of Obama's policies, you should know that he has done his great share of "useless" spending.

    Last point to be made, or suggested. . . . . You mentioned a "government official" said the end of the recession is near on the news. It sure is nice to know the media is reliable. woah, what a relief. Wink
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    Post  {ACE}Steve-o 16.09.09 1:35

    jjay3200 wrote:
    SCB airsoft wrote:All i can say is Obama can kiss my a** . Schools are forcing kids to watch his press conference. And Obama is talking about staying in school , his trying to trick kids about health care . And the schools are letting him . That's almost like dictatorship .

    come on cut some slck hes our nation president if your going to talk bad about him you acting unamerican please be polite

    also +1 on what Paul (aggressor) said. Being American means we have the rights this nation has too offer. The very first amendment is Freedom of speech. Therefore by exercising this freedom, we are not only being American, but also showing the benefits of our country. Were people "unamerican" when they bashed Bush? No, they were probably considered "cool" or "normal". Just because one persons opinion varies from anothers, doesnt mean their "unamerican", or anything along those lines.
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    Post  Tinman 16.09.09 5:50

    Aggressor Dog wrote:No. The most american thing you can do is speak your mind about politics freely, be it contrary to the President's ideas or not. An UnAmerican ideal would be to blindly follow your leaders.

    Well spoken Paul . . . Well spoken! cheers
    You even exercised your right to use proper punctuation and grammar!
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    Post  jjay3200 16.09.09 11:12

    Aggressor Dog wrote:No. The most american thing you can do is speak your mind about politics freely, be it contrary to the President's ideas or not. An UnAmerican ideal would be to blindly follow your leaders. As for the statement of him being the smartest president by far, that cant be proven, let alone argued soundly. Hes been in office for less than a year.

    your wrong he has not been in office for a year eight months hes been in office your acting real un american come on man im trying tomhelp you it not as bad as it seems okay let me ask you this which president caused this country more probelm be real now president bush or president obama and please i know this shouldnt be about race this is about this country and how obama is trying hard every day to fix what bush mess up

    {ACE}Steve-o wrote:jjay, there is such thing as periods.

    back on topic now.

    I think Bush took the fall for what Clinton set up.

    How can a nation expect an economy to succeed at a time of war?? Has it ever in the past? If Obama would have been in Bush's shoes at that particular time, the economy would have plunged just as it did. One man didnt put American into trillions of dollars of debt.

    Also, if you have researched many of Obama's policies, you should know that he has done his great share of "useless" spending.

    Last point to be made, or suggested. . . . . You mentioned a "government official" said the end of the recession is near on the news. It sure is nice to know the media is reliable. woah, what a relief. Wink

    okay i agree with you on the spending part we are spending a bite much in such a short time but are you talking about the econmy when have plunged if obama was in bushes shoes no way cause obama is smarter than bush dont forget that bush was droping any where from 5 to 40 billion in the war almost every week

    and please this shouldnt not be blamed on obama because he is black i think that wrong and we should give people a chance no matter what color he is
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    Post  {ACE}Steve-o 16.09.09 13:13

    no one mentioned Obama's race. im not sure where your getting that from.
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    Post  Q-bald 16.09.09 13:17

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    okay i agree with you on the spending part we are spending a bite much in such a short time but are you talking about the econmy when have plunged if obama was in bushes shoes no way cause obama is smarter than bush dont forget that bush was droping any where from 5 to 40 billion in the war almost every week

    and please this shouldnt not be blamed on obama because he is black i think that wrong and we should give people a chance no matter what color he is

    Yea! I would vote for a black woman if she shared my views, And as far as spending on the War, Freedom is Priceless......GO AMERICA!
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    Post  |337 16.09.09 13:19

    jjay, you keep telling us that voicing our opinions on Obama is "UnAmerican" but you in turn rag on Bush, saying that it is all his fault. What has Obama done any better? He has very nearly spent more in 8 months than Bush did in 8 years. Obama hasn't had a real test yet either, Bush has to deal with 9/11, dont be so quick to judge him. In 20 years we will be able to look back with a broader understanding, but no one knows all the facts yet.
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    Post  {ACE}Steve-o 16.09.09 13:27

    Q and L337, +1.

    With war comes spending! I sure am glad Obama wasnt in office when 9/11 happened. I could see it now.

    "well, we just need to be friends with al queda. We can unite us all, because we all share religion. With religion we all have truths as our common ground."


    Ok sorry....ha.
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    Post  jjay3200 16.09.09 14:45

    |337 wrote:jjay, you keep telling us that voicing our opinions on Obama is "UnAmerican" but you in turn rag on Bush, saying that it is all his fault. What has Obama done any better? He has very nearly spent more in 8 months than Bush did in 8 years. Obama hasn't had a real test yet either, Bush has to deal with 9/11, dont be so quick to judge him. In 20 years we will be able to look back with a broader understanding, but no one knows all the facts yet.


    we all cant be quick to judge obama and i he haa had a real test putting this economy back at the top were it belongs im i right

    {ACE}Steve-o wrote:Q and L337, +1.

    With war comes spending! I sure am glad Obama wasnt in office when 9/11 happened. I could see it now.

    "well, we just need to be friends with al queda. We can unite us all, because we all share religion. With religion we all have truths as our common ground." Ok sorry....ha.

    no you see what he did right after the ingraution he sent 17,000 more troops to afganistan to get the job done

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    okay i agree with you on the spending part we are spending a bite much in such a short time but are you talking about the econmy when have plunged if obama was in bushes shoes no way cause obama is smarter than bush dont forget that bush was droping any where from 5 to 40 billion in the war almost every week

    and please this shouldnt not be blamed on obama because he is black i think that wrong and we should give people a chance no matter what color he is

    Yea! I would vote for a black woman if she shared my views, And as far as spending on the War, Freedom is Priceless......GO AMERICA!
    i have to give it to you i agree freedom is priceless
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    Post  Guest 16.09.09 15:12

    When I'm getting shot at in Afghanistan by enemies of this nation, yes, that is where I will be deployed once I commission, you can call me UnAmerican. I dare you.

    I will judge the actions the president makes, as it is my DUTY as an AMERICAN to make sure that my vote is going towards what I voted for. So far everything you ahve said about Obama is based off of OPINION (he is smarter than Bush, he is the greatest leader, he is getting the economy back on track,etc etc), yet you treat everyone else in here like they are fact, and our disputing the fact is met with our labeling as UnAmerican. Bite your tongue before you say that, the people here are very patriotic and I can assure you want nothing but the best for this nation.
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    Post  {ACE}Steve-o 16.09.09 15:33

    Aggressor Dog wrote:When I'm getting shot at in Afghanistan by enemies of this nation, yes, that is where I will be deployed once I commission, you can call me UnAmerican. I dare you.

    I will judge the actions the president makes, as it is my DUTY as an AMERICAN to make sure that my vote is going towards what I voted for. So far everything you ahve said about Obama is based off of OPINION (he is smarter than Bush, he is the greatest leader, he is getting the economy back on track,etc etc), yet you treat everyone else in here like they are fact, and our disputing the fact is met with our labeling as UnAmerican. Bite your tongue before you say that, the people here are very patriotic and I can assure you want nothing but the best for this nation.

    W00t! Go Paul! +10000000000
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    Post  Tinman 16.09.09 16:27

    Aggressor Dog wrote: Bite your tongue before you say that, the people here are very patriotic and I can assure you want nothing but the best for this nation.

    PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!! cheers cheers cheers
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    Post  Bulldog94 16.09.09 19:15

    {ACE}Steve-o wrote:
    Aggressor Dog wrote:When I'm getting shot at in Afghanistan by enemies of this nation, yes, that is where I will be deployed once I commission, you can call me UnAmerican. I dare you.

    I will judge the actions the president makes, as it is my DUTY as an AMERICAN to make sure that my vote is going towards what I voted for. So far everything you ahve said about Obama is based off of OPINION (he is smarter than Bush, he is the greatest leader, he is getting the economy back on track,etc etc), yet you treat everyone else in here like they are fact, and our disputing the fact is met with our labeling as UnAmerican. Bite your tongue before you say that, the people here are very patriotic and I can assure you want nothing but the best for this nation.

    W00t! Go Paul! +10000000000

    I agree on one point you make but Obama spent the same amount of money in his three days of office that Bush spent in all or his 8 years. Now for Bush, I approved of most of his decisions... up until he had the border problems. I believe as a country we moved more towards bigger government when he had started cracking down on the borders. Now was it bad? I cant say it was really bad or good. It depends on the way you see the issue. I just believe we stepped more in the direction of More government. Its times like these that I wish Reagan was still president.

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