CQB Tactics

So I pretty much wake up now to the idea of playing in the school, and I figured to quench my thirst a little I would look up cqb tactics and get your guys' input on the idea.
First thing I found was a youtube channel with a bunch of guys from Canadia. While I'm not going to go and wrap Paul on the balls to signal I'm ready for room entry, I think these guys really do have some helpful information. Plus there is a nicely captured cqb airsoft game which shows different tactics more specific to our needs. https://www.youtube.com/user/mannelig996#p/u/3/Apy_OUi5iPU

I also tried to search through the Field Manuals, but all I found was:
(1) If a platoon is attacking a building independently, it should be
organized with an assault element, support element, and security element
to cover its flanks and rear. In addition to its own support element, the
platoon can be supported by BFVs or tanks and other elements of the
company.
(2) If one platoon is attacking, supported by the rest of the company,
Isolate the building.
Enter the building (secure a foothold).
Clear the building methodically room
by room and floor by floor.
security may be provided by the other rifle platoons. The assault has three
steps:
STEP 1: Isolate the building
STEP 2: Enter the building (secure a foothold)
STEP 3: Clear the building methodically room by room and floor by floor.
(3) The clearing is performed by the rifle squads, which pass successively
through each other (leapfrogging) as rooms and floors are secured. Platoons
that clear buildings should be reinforced with engineers to help with demolition
clearing (Figure 3-19, page 3-30).

So what other resources do you guys have that would be helpful to study. Anyone got diagrams relating to slicing the pie, stairs clearing, etc.?

Really just situational awareness and common sense i would think are most important. That and maybe some stealth, you can have all the tactics in the world, but if you dont locate the opfor and remain unseen, execution of whatever plan you had before is out the window.

I definitely don't agree. In a CQB environment you're going to have to utilize tactics like this to get the job done, or when you try to clear a room or bunker the wrong way, you are going to end up getting shot.

Tactics are important, but some of that will come naturally (i would hope), what i meant was that its better to have a natural sense of battlefield strategy then to do what you read in a book.

You wont need to isolate the building for the school because its already isolated, no outside forces are going to attack you when your playing there, because they dont exist. But room clearing has a lot to do with skill and reaction time, but you odds of success can be drastically improved by using room clearing methods, which you definitly need alot of practice to utilize, not sure if anyone here is down for that .

Could you explain the leap frogging method in more detail, Paul?

Leap Frogging is technically called alternate bounding, is when you utilize 50% of any unit strength to keep an enemy pinned down or under security while the other 50% moves fowards, than the ones who moved forward provide the cover fire/secturity while the other 50% moves foward, and so on and so on. In a building you wouldnt want to use this, instead, you want to clear each room while maintaining overall security, so that no one sneaky can work their way behind you and take you out. This involves a high level of multitasking, which is difficult even with training, which is way SWAT trains so much and is called in to clear buildings instead of the local police, because they have access and time for that much training. We have done alot of MOUT in Aggressors, if yall want to organize a practice at the school sometime Id be game to show yall just how clearing a room is done to U.S. Military standards. Its not something I can write down and hope yall understand, its a very visual process, Im not a master of it or anything, I just know the basics, which should suffice for us.

Nic, my dad will be at the school game. I'm sure he can help/show us a few things.

|337 wrote:Really just situational awareness and common sense i would think are most important. That and maybe some stealth, you can have all the tactics in the world, but if you dont locate the opfor and remain unseen, execution of whatever plan you had before is out the window.

-1 , In CQB u need to know tactics . It's easier to get shot in CQB . It's not field play where you can hide for mins at a time without any body seeing u. U need to know how to clear a room with out using smokes and i know their are no smokes at the school game. But , tactics will be good for advancing people in tough spots of the playing field .

Awesome find twitch

Different SOPs dictate different room clearing techniques. For example, in this video, the number one man leaves the number 2 guy to his own sector of fire, regardless of his seen contacts. In ARMY SRT the number one guy heads straight for his first seen target and the rest continue into the room by resetting themselves via numbers, I.E. number 2 fulfills number 1s role and so on and so forth. Either way, watching this video can give you an idea of what to expect if you were to train for this, but in terms of watching this video and expecting to be able to utilize the tactics with a time, no, not in a million years, no matter how many times each person watched the video. PracApp is a MUST for MOUT if you plan or using its tactics.

Ok, who is bring the masterkey so we can bust open doors?

Im pretty sure that the school doors wont be locked, seeing as though they cant afford to destroy and replace them over and over again. Not every room clearing scenario requires explosive entry.

I'm down for training.

SCB airsoft wrote:

|337 wrote:Really just situational awareness and common sense i would think are most important. That and maybe some stealth, you can have all the tactics in the world, but if you dont locate the opfor and remain unseen, execution of whatever plan you had before is out the window.

-1 , In CQB u need to know tactics . It's easier to get shot in CQB . It's not field play where you can hide for mins at a time without any body seeing u. U need to know how to clear a room with out using smokes and i know their are no smokes at the school game. But , tactics will be good for advancing people in tough spots of the playing field .

Clearing a room with smokes works both ways what i am saying is that when you first detect the opfor, whether visually or audibly, your gut reaction will prevail over whatever plan you came up with before, time and time again, i have seen kids that have a good plan. Whether ambush or the like, fail to follow through because there gut reaction was counter productive. Hence the point of training, it alters or modifies your gut reaction so that it is no longer counterproductive but practical.

Aggressor Dog wrote:Im pretty sure that the school doors wont be locked, seeing as though they cant afford to destroy and replace them over and over again. Not every room clearing scenario requires explosive entry.

They r . I was their all the doors are locked , I wouldn't break in their either because their r house's right next to the school, so they might get the wrong idea!

SCB airsoft wrote:

Aggressor Dog wrote:Im pretty sure that the school doors wont be locked, seeing as though they cant afford to destroy and replace them over and over again. Not every room clearing scenario requires explosive entry.

They r . I was their all the doors are locked , I wouldn't break in their either because their r house's right next to the school, so they might get the wrong idea!

Faceplam,well of course the outer doors are going to be locked when not in use or that place would get broken into everyday. Paul is talking about the interior doors like to a classroom i do believe.

firby911 wrote:

SCB airsoft wrote:

Aggressor Dog wrote:Im pretty sure that the school doors wont be locked, seeing as though they cant afford to destroy and replace them over and over again. Not every room clearing scenario requires explosive entry.

They r . I was their all the doors are locked , I wouldn't break in their either because their r house's right next to the school, so they might get the wrong idea!

Faceplam,well of course the outer doors are going to be locked when not in use or that place would get broken into everyday. Paul is talking about the interior doors like to a classroom i do believe.

Yeah i know , i was just telling them it's not a good idea to go inside because cops go by that street alot

I run down halls an shoot and slide past them shooting the people

Shmekal wrote:I run down halls an shoot and slide past them shooting the people

Thanks for that insight

its the fun way though

tactics never worked to well at sacom, If you have less then 100% coodernation, it didnt gonna work

Bigger buidling might give more response time compared to sacom, but i do know what does work RUNNING AND SCREAMING DOWN HALLWAYS <<< (if respawns are available)

AS long as squad mates always stay close, advance accordingly, and just watch the genreal directions... no need for fancy tactics.

Its airsoft, you breach a room, you shoot the guy first, chances are he will pull the trigger after the fact he's hit. Its not because he's trying to cheat, its because it happens so fast you dont really realize your hit till a second later

i am haji wrote: you shoot the guy first, chances are he will pull the trigger after the fact he's hit. Its not because he's trying to cheat, its because it happens so fast you dont really realize your hit till a second later

Thats a really really good point...