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Admin wrote:Alright, I'd like to appeal about Mac-11's. I personally feel that, especially if you take the stock completely off, they are classified as machine PISTOLs, and are therefore in the same category as Glock 18's and M93R's. Heck, you can add a stock to most pistols, and the Brits did it extensively to the old Hi-Powers, but does that mean that the Browning Hi-Power is a carbine? People have the misconception that they're submachineguns due to the fact that the original and more widespread MAC-10 is a SMG, and because KWA markets the M11 as a submachinegun. In reality, KWA's classification is more of a marketing gimmick than anything else (kinda like the "lipo-ready" gearbox). If people see it as a submachinegun, they see it as something they can use as a primary, and as an alternative to the more expensive GBBr's. Also, if you notice, the KWA M11 uses the KWA NS2 gas system - a PISTOL - gas system, and not the larger, more powerful Force Velocity Engine used in the MP7.
Here's a little info to back up my case:
The Mac-11 is chambered in the .380 ACP, also known as 9mmx17mm. The .380 ACP is much too underpowered to be considered a round for use in a submachinegun, as it less than HALF the kinetic energy (about 200J) of most 9mmx19mm Parabellum cartridges (The "standard" 9mm cartridge, which shoots at about 550J depending on the specific cartridge.)
The Mac-11 is about 248mm with the stock collapes, and about 230mm with no stock attached, and a barrel length of. By comparison, the Glock 17L is 225mm, the M9 is 217 mm, USP .45 is 200mm, the M1911 is 210mm, and the Desert Eagle Mark XIX measures a whopping 273mm. By contrast, the other guns you lumped in that category are much larger. The MP7 is 415mm with the stock collapsed, and the Uzi is a massive 470mm with the stock collapsed.
The mag capacity (50 rounds) is the same that an extended Glock 18 and extended M93 mag is. In reality, it's no different internally than the KWA Glock 18 or KWA M93r II. Same gas system, same magazine capacity, roughly the same length. The RoF is about the same, but that won't matter since it's going to be used on semi only. So, If you remove the stock, the Mac-11 is definitively a pistol, and should therefore be allowed as one.
I second this motion. Even if you want to argue that it is still a SMG, there are no distinct advantages that a Mac 11 provides. It is inaccurate, prone to jamming, and altogether, relatively unreliable. I have actually noticed the airsoft version to share many of these traits that it's big brother has, so I believe that there is no reason it should not be allowed, with the provision that it is only used on semi-automatic.
