Homethese style sights have been around since the 80's as far i as know.
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Aiming down sights with both eyes open
pbslacker- Posts : 14
Join date : 2010-10-21
Age : 50
Location : norcross
LORD TYRANT- Posts : 401
Join date : 2010-04-29
Age : 41
Location : Douglasville ga
Andy wrote:Hello, I'm Andy, and I'm an optics user.
I've been using them for.....a long time with Uncle Sam so that is what I know. If zero'd right I find that I pick up targets much faster. I also love them at night. Nothing like putting that red dot on a target that doesn't see you, and BAM!!!!!
AGREED not to mention target acquisition and knowing where your rounds are hitting down range in relationship to the target.
Jasta- Posts : 1
Join date : 2011-01-25
Hello. Im just getting into airsoft, but I know quite a bit about shooting with both eyes. I was a tanker and a gunner on M1A1s for many years and twice member of the US Army's tank gunnery team. (CAT)
When I was a young boy, my father taught me to shoot a bow barebow (without sights). Also called "instinctive shooting", it takes a great deal of practice. The main advantage I always thought was that by having both eyes open, it was easier to observe the flight of the round (arrow).
Now when shooting a tank with single-eye optics and a browpad, you are not going to observe to flight of your own round due to the extreme local obscuration. But by taping the left side of the browpad, like an eyepatch, you can keep both eyes open, even though you only sight with one eye. The advantage to this is reduced eye-strain from squinting the left eye for periods of time. Squinting the left eye strains the sighting eye. An eyepatch might benifit snipers who have to sight for periods of time.
Now, that said, Ive always fired a rifle the standard way...one eye closed.
But....when I got an airsoft gun on auto, I found I was quicker to lay on the target and get an initial burst close, if I just pulled up quick and blasted...rather than aiming down the sight. The lack of the recoil helps with this Im sure. But I have to raise to gun up some...if firing from the hip, I find it very hard to observe the rounds.
One more thing...You can develop a technique of eye-focusing, simular to those "magic eye" pictures. In tanks we used to run daylight sights on 10X and thermals on 3X at the same time so you have two overlapping pictures in differnent magnifications. By "magic eyeing" you can aquire targets in 3X thermal and engage them in 10X daylight. Not by switching a physical toggle or such, but by switching focus of the eye in your head.
I guess with practice you could fire airsoft rifle with both eyes open, accurately siteing with one eye while observing the flight and strike of the rounds with your other eye. LoL!
Sorry for the long post....
When I was a young boy, my father taught me to shoot a bow barebow (without sights). Also called "instinctive shooting", it takes a great deal of practice. The main advantage I always thought was that by having both eyes open, it was easier to observe the flight of the round (arrow).
Now when shooting a tank with single-eye optics and a browpad, you are not going to observe to flight of your own round due to the extreme local obscuration. But by taping the left side of the browpad, like an eyepatch, you can keep both eyes open, even though you only sight with one eye. The advantage to this is reduced eye-strain from squinting the left eye for periods of time. Squinting the left eye strains the sighting eye. An eyepatch might benifit snipers who have to sight for periods of time.
Now, that said, Ive always fired a rifle the standard way...one eye closed.
But....when I got an airsoft gun on auto, I found I was quicker to lay on the target and get an initial burst close, if I just pulled up quick and blasted...rather than aiming down the sight. The lack of the recoil helps with this Im sure. But I have to raise to gun up some...if firing from the hip, I find it very hard to observe the rounds.
One more thing...You can develop a technique of eye-focusing, simular to those "magic eye" pictures. In tanks we used to run daylight sights on 10X and thermals on 3X at the same time so you have two overlapping pictures in differnent magnifications. By "magic eyeing" you can aquire targets in 3X thermal and engage them in 10X daylight. Not by switching a physical toggle or such, but by switching focus of the eye in your head.
I guess with practice you could fire airsoft rifle with both eyes open, accurately siteing with one eye while observing the flight and strike of the rounds with your other eye. LoL!
Sorry for the long post....
Jaguar12airsoft- Posts : 148
Join date : 2011-04-25
Location : SW Atlanta
Before you begin shooting with both eyes open, you should learn which of your eyes is more dominant.
For me, I am right handed, an ambidextrous shooter, and I have left eye dominance.
To find out which of your eyes is more dominant over the other:
1. Stick your arm out straight in front of you.
2. Make a circle using your thumb and pointer finger.
3. Look through this circle with both eyes, and find a object that is off in the distance to look at.
Close your right eye. Did this object suddenly shift?
With both eyes open again and looking at this object in the circle made with your hand, close your left eye. Did this object suddenly shift outside the circle?
*If the object shifts out of the circle when you close your right eye, you have right eye dominance.
*If this object shifts out of the circle when you close your left eye, you have left eye dominance.
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Aiming down iron sights with both eyes open can be tricky, but is possible.
The easiest thing you can do is use a red dot sight and use that to practice shooting with both eyes open.
Hope this advice helps.
For me, I am right handed, an ambidextrous shooter, and I have left eye dominance.
To find out which of your eyes is more dominant over the other:
1. Stick your arm out straight in front of you.
2. Make a circle using your thumb and pointer finger.
3. Look through this circle with both eyes, and find a object that is off in the distance to look at.
Close your right eye. Did this object suddenly shift?
With both eyes open again and looking at this object in the circle made with your hand, close your left eye. Did this object suddenly shift outside the circle?
*If the object shifts out of the circle when you close your right eye, you have right eye dominance.
*If this object shifts out of the circle when you close your left eye, you have left eye dominance.
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Aiming down iron sights with both eyes open can be tricky, but is possible.
The easiest thing you can do is use a red dot sight and use that to practice shooting with both eyes open.
Hope this advice helps.
fallout11- Posts : 84
Join date : 2009-08-22
Age : 54
Location : Warner Robins, GA
Keep in mind that using two eyes vs. one changes the point of impact for the same sight setup. In other words, you'll need to adjust the windage on your ironsights for whichever method you choose to employ. Switching back and forth will alter your point of impact when aiming at the same "spot" if you do not.
The other option is to add a second sighting tool to your weapon that is either set up for or allows the use of the "alternate" method, i.e. an occluded eye gunsight (Trijicon reflex), etc, and keeping the iron sights set for the old 1-eye method.
Because two-eye shooting depend on binocular vision to work correctly, there are several issues that are unique to it and explain why it isnt more popular.
A gun's zero with two eyes open is only good for a particular person - because every person has slight differences in distance between their eyes, the stance they shoot in, and the amount of phoria (eyes don't track together perfectly) they experience, each gun will have a different zero (or impact point for a given zero) for every person who picks up that weapon when using both eyes open. See also stereopsis.
The two-eye zero is only good at a specific distance. Again; because of the tilt of your head, distance between eyes etc. the two-eye zero will be exactly on target at only one range. At all other ranges it will show both horizontal and vertical deviation. Outside of 100yds, this MOA divergence increases rapidly. Deviation can be huge too - 4-8 inches even over 100yds. See also parralax
If you are right-handed; but left-eye dominant (or vice versa), the concept doesn't work as well since it relies on combining the views from your weak and dominant eye. One eye does most of the work, providing most of the sight picture.
There are schools of though (and training) regarding combat shooting that de-emphasize the rear sight, (i.e. front sight, point shooting, etc) and in some cases the front sight as well (instinct shooting, hip fire, cowboy action shooting, etc), and these methods can be very useful at the very short ranges found in airsofting (where 60-70 yards is long range), as they teach one to focus on the target, rather than the sight(s), making for faster, more responsive shooting in close quarters while avoiding tunnel vision and other flaws associated with the proverbial bench rest shooter.
But for accurate, long range RS shooting, the old standby method taught in basic training (one eye, both sights or pre-sighted optics) is still the most effective, which is why it is used by marksman and sniper competition teams (and long distance big game hunters, etc).
Historically, rifles and pistol (including military ones) didn't have field-adjustable windage (example: Mauser Kar-98, M1911A1, AK-47, etc), so the one-eye method was the only usable method, they came pre-zeroed from the armorer/armory, and the one-eye method allowed anyone to use any weapon with equal ability and without the need to alter the settings.
I recently had a personal experience that brought this to light for me. Went out shooting with a friend, and like most such outings, we shot each others firearms some. Doing this I found I couldn't hit jack with his guns, and likewise he with mine. We eventually figured out why....largely my guns were zeroed for my eyes (complete with my left eye dominance), and his were zeroed for his (he was smaller in stature, i.e. eyes closer together and right eye dominant). So trying to use the sights was actually throwing off our aim, since they were not set up for the active shooter. When we switched up to the old one eye open method of yesteryear, our accuracy with each other's weapons improved a bit, and if our guns had been zeroed with the old "universal" 1-eye method instead, we would have been able to use each others weapons without any problem at all. Instinct shooting, i.e. not using the sights at all, was actually the most accurate method given that the sights were "off" for the other person.
The other option is to add a second sighting tool to your weapon that is either set up for or allows the use of the "alternate" method, i.e. an occluded eye gunsight (Trijicon reflex), etc, and keeping the iron sights set for the old 1-eye method.
Because two-eye shooting depend on binocular vision to work correctly, there are several issues that are unique to it and explain why it isnt more popular.
A gun's zero with two eyes open is only good for a particular person - because every person has slight differences in distance between their eyes, the stance they shoot in, and the amount of phoria (eyes don't track together perfectly) they experience, each gun will have a different zero (or impact point for a given zero) for every person who picks up that weapon when using both eyes open. See also stereopsis.
The two-eye zero is only good at a specific distance. Again; because of the tilt of your head, distance between eyes etc. the two-eye zero will be exactly on target at only one range. At all other ranges it will show both horizontal and vertical deviation. Outside of 100yds, this MOA divergence increases rapidly. Deviation can be huge too - 4-8 inches even over 100yds. See also parralax
If you are right-handed; but left-eye dominant (or vice versa), the concept doesn't work as well since it relies on combining the views from your weak and dominant eye. One eye does most of the work, providing most of the sight picture.
There are schools of though (and training) regarding combat shooting that de-emphasize the rear sight, (i.e. front sight, point shooting, etc) and in some cases the front sight as well (instinct shooting, hip fire, cowboy action shooting, etc), and these methods can be very useful at the very short ranges found in airsofting (where 60-70 yards is long range), as they teach one to focus on the target, rather than the sight(s), making for faster, more responsive shooting in close quarters while avoiding tunnel vision and other flaws associated with the proverbial bench rest shooter.
But for accurate, long range RS shooting, the old standby method taught in basic training (one eye, both sights or pre-sighted optics) is still the most effective, which is why it is used by marksman and sniper competition teams (and long distance big game hunters, etc).
Historically, rifles and pistol (including military ones) didn't have field-adjustable windage (example: Mauser Kar-98, M1911A1, AK-47, etc), so the one-eye method was the only usable method, they came pre-zeroed from the armorer/armory, and the one-eye method allowed anyone to use any weapon with equal ability and without the need to alter the settings.
I recently had a personal experience that brought this to light for me. Went out shooting with a friend, and like most such outings, we shot each others firearms some. Doing this I found I couldn't hit jack with his guns, and likewise he with mine. We eventually figured out why....largely my guns were zeroed for my eyes (complete with my left eye dominance), and his were zeroed for his (he was smaller in stature, i.e. eyes closer together and right eye dominant). So trying to use the sights was actually throwing off our aim, since they were not set up for the active shooter. When we switched up to the old one eye open method of yesteryear, our accuracy with each other's weapons improved a bit, and if our guns had been zeroed with the old "universal" 1-eye method instead, we would have been able to use each others weapons without any problem at all. Instinct shooting, i.e. not using the sights at all, was actually the most accurate method given that the sights were "off" for the other person.
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