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    effectiveness of .223/5.56 round?

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    Post  Eon_Blue 14.10.11 19:54

    wolf six wrote: I was talking with someone the other day about guns and they kept going over how ineffective the .223 round was and how it was the reason they used a g3 copy for home defense blah blah blah ".223 only kills if you shoot them in the head".... BS yeah its a small round but how effective is it? Last time i checked shooting an unarmored person in the chest with any round makes life difficult

    so people with combat/.223 experience how e/infective is the .223 round at killing/stopping a target?

    imo: guns kill


    Sniper school out in Arizona taught my buddy to accurately shoot a .223 round 1200 yards. If that's "Ineffective" then show me something more impressive.

    Shotgun is for home defense, anyone who disagrees on that(other than a pistol) is a moron.

    .223 Rounds are very fast moving, can puncture some armor, and can easily kill/stop a target.

    Guns don't kill, people with guns kill.
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    Post  Guest 15.10.11 7:27

    I think you are being about 200meters too generous there...and a 5.56 impacting from 1000 meters isn't going to put anyone down unless it knocks their dome.
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    Post  Eon_Blue 15.10.11 20:49

    Aggressor wrote:I think you are being about 200meters too generous there...and a 5.56 impacting from 1000 meters isn't going to put anyone down unless it knocks their dome.

    Blackwater personnel have to qualify at 200 yards with an M4, with an EOTech sight. Obviously it's deadly at that range..my buddy's dad is contracted by them(second hand experience, seen it done on a range as well.)

    and 1200 yards is a hard shot with a .223, but do-able. I'd rather have a .308 or .338..But what do I know? Very Happy
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    Post  Twitch 15.10.11 21:07

    Eon_Blue wrote:

    Blackwater personnel have to qualify at 200 yards with an M4, with an EOTech sight. Obviously it's deadly at that range..my buddy's dad is contracted by them(second hand experience, seen it done on a range as well.)

    200 yards is really not a difficult shot at all with a 5.56 round. Thats actually really close.
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    Post  NJSC 15.10.11 23:17

    What kind of gun were they using to qualify in arizona?
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    Post  Guest 15.10.11 23:33

    So youve actually witnessed someone hit a target from 1200 meters with 556 with a measurable degree of accuracy? What kind of weapon system was this?
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    Post  Rhino 15.10.11 23:44

    Hell we shoot bowling pins at 100 yards with pistols. 200 yards with a rifle isn't much.
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    Post  Guest 16.10.11 0:50

    I just want to add real quick that I am putting a number 1 in front of the 200, meaning that instead of 200 meters, I mean 1000 meters plus 200 meters, which would be 1200 meters, perhaps my 1 button doesn't work or something, but I am saying twelve hundred, or one thousand two hundred, one thousand plus two hundred, one two zero zero. 1200meters. Not 200meters.
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    Post  wolf six 16.10.11 1:10

    .223 isnt used as a sniper round because it loses accuracy and stopping power past 700 meters, 1200 is a long shot for 7.62
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    Post  Eon_Blue 17.10.11 17:03

    NJSC wrote:What kind of gun were they using to qualify in arizona?

    It was some sort of M16 Variant. Not sure of company/modifications to the weapon.

    Aggressor wrote:I just want to add real quick that I am putting a number 1 in front of the 200, meaning that instead of 200 meters, I mean 1000 meters plus 200 meters, which would be 1200 meters, perhaps my 1 button doesn't work or something, but I am saying twelve hundred, or one thousand two hundred, one thousand plus two hundred, one two zero zero. 1200meters. Not 200meters.

    I misread what you said, my fault! But at 1200 yards, learning the trigonometry behind everything is key, no math behind it=not going to come close to anything. Which they taught in AZ.
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    Post  TrunkMonkey 18.10.11 18:49

    Im just going to leave this here....


    With ZERO wind at 1,200 meters, 20 inch 1/7 twist firing M855 will hit 1048.6 inches down from LOS, thats about -76 moa.




    Edit: Theres no way Blackwater, currently Ze would be qualifying with a .223. They would be using either custom loads or 5.56 M193 or M855.
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    Post  Eon_Blue 18.10.11 22:20

    They qualify at 200 yards with EOTech Holographic Sights, and whatever primary they choose. My buddy's dad(seen him on the range) uses his Colt M4.

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