Politics Anyone?

I am of the opinion that one of the most Un-American things you can do is call another citizen Un-American.

frog wrote:I am of the opinion that one of the most Un-American things you can do is call another citizen Un-American.

right, very true...

Freedom is priceless.... very true. Freedom isn't free... true. It takes money to make money..... true

Right now China is loaning us loads of money, they own us to an extent. If they keep giving us these loans they will own us. We could lose our freedom that way also.

Obama was spending money to make money (stimulus package). Wether it works or not? I don't know, but we gave Bush 8 years and now we're in this hole. I'm not saying it's all Bush's fault, but someone is partially responsible and He was The President at the time. I say partially because America has been on a repeating chain of feast and famine since the beginning of the nation. Again I'm not necessarily an Obama supporter, I'm just saying we gave Bush 8 years, Lets at least give Obama more than a short 8 months. If anybody thought we were going to get half-way out of a recession this amount of time, they're crazy. People said he was gonna take our guns and he didn't do that yet, we can have at least that much hope in him.

WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:Freedom is priceless.... very true. Freedom isn't free... true. It takes money to make money..... true

Right now China is loaning us loads of money, they own us to an extent. If they keep giving us these loans they will own us. We could lose our freedom that way also.

Obama was spending money to make money (stimulus package). Wether it works or not? I don't know, but we gave Bush 8 years and now we're in this hole. I'm not saying it's all Bush's fault, but someone is partially responsible and He was The President at the time. I say partially because America has been on a repeating chain of feast and famine since the beginning of the nation. Again I'm not necessarily an Obama supporter, I'm just saying we gave Bush 8 years, Lets at least give Obama more than a short 8 months. If anybody thought we were going to get half-way out of a recession this amount of time, they're crazy. People said he was gonna take our guns and he didn't do that yet, we can have at least that much hope in him.

right, and I want to point out that Newt the Republican Majority Leader 1996-2006 (may be off a year or two) and several other both Republicans and Democrats pointed out that the Economy would end up the way it is now. However Nancy Polsi, Harry Reid and many others believed that What Newt and several others said was totally wrong and would never happen. Now you cant entirely blaim this on a group of individuals but I believe that the early Warning signs of this downfall by Newt and his congragation shouldnt have been taken lightly... I was reading online and I found this quote.. thought it was interesting "The Problem With Socialism Is You Eventually Run Out Of Other People's Money." - Margaret Thatcher

This is getting quite out of hand.




All I have to say is calling a patriotic American, an un-American, is like back handing them in the face. If someone ever did that to my face (and I'm sure any other true American) they would be on the ground in a second.... You guys need to calm down and rememeber that we are all AMERICAN, and that we live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. God Bless the USA.




p.s.- If we start name callin and cussin n' junk I (or Admin) will close and/or delete the thread. This thread was made for mature (non-name calling) political discussion and debate.

WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:Freedom is priceless.... very true. Freedom isn't free... true. It takes money to make money..... true

Right now China is loaning us loads of money, they own us to an extent. If they keep giving us these loans they will own us. We could lose our freedom that way also.

Obama was spending money to make money (stimulus package). Wether it works or not? I don't know, but we gave Bush 8 years and now we're in this hole. I'm not saying it's all Bush's fault, but someone is partially responsible and He was The President at the time. I say partially because America has been on a repeating chain of feast and famine since the beginning of the nation. Again I'm not necessarily an Obama supporter, I'm just saying we gave Bush 8 years, Lets at least give Obama more than a short 8 months. If anybody thought we were going to get half-way out of a recession this amount of time, they're crazy. People said he was gonna take our guns and he didn't do that yet, we can have at least that much hope in him.

Correct, Freedom is not Free, Freedom is earned. Bottomline. Not to get off subject but alot of individuals in this country don't appreciate the sacrafises made for them by those who have served in the Armed Forces. There are people who sit around and watch tv thinking it has always been free and For those who call us "Non-Americans" or "Un-Americans" don't relize what Kind of Freedom we have here, the freedoms of Speech and Assembly. The Freedom to do what you freely want. My father once told me that he thinks Every Individual should serve this country in a way that many have served them. I support the Troops and I relize what Freedoms they have given. I think every person should pay attention to those who have served. They don't deserve to be spit upon or called names. They deserve the respect from all the people in our country. But still there are those who are not thankful and sometimes I wonder what kind of world we would live in if we had given up. I can say one thing I would not want to be speaking German right now.

I have a joke to share...To at least ease most of this tension...IT IS VERY BLACK AND WHITE TO POLITICS. So no offense to anyone pro ObamaCare

OFFICIAL: So you see, comrade, this is the way that Marx explained it, ' from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.' You understand?
FARMER: (confused) Not really...
OFFICIAL:OK, It is like this... Say a comrade has two cows. We take one cow from him and give it to comrade who has no cow. That is socialism....You see?
FARMER: Yes, Yes, this is good...
OFFICIAL: And if a comrade has two tractors, we take one of his tractors and give to man who has no tractors. Yes?
FARMER: Yes, yes that is very good!
OFFICIAL: And if comrade has two chickens, we give one chicken to man who has no chickens.
FARMER: NO!!! That is not good!
OFFICIAL: Why??
FARMER: Because I have two chickens!!!

Our situation...
OFFICIAL: We take away personal doctor and give you everyone's doctor!

Lone Wolf wrote:I have a joke to share...To at least ease most of this tension...IT IS VERY BLACK AND WHITE TO POLITICS. So no offense to anyone pro ObamaCare

OFFICIAL: So you see, comrade, this is the way that Marx explained it, ' from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.' You understand?
FARMER: (confused) Not really...
OFFICIAL:OK, It is like this... Say a comrade has two cows. We take one cow from him and give it to comrade who has no cow. That is socialism....You see?
FARMER: Yes, Yes, this is good...
OFFICIAL: And if a comrade has two tractors, we take one of his tractors and give to man who has no tractors. Yes?
FARMER: Yes, yes that is very good!
OFFICIAL: And if comrade has two chickens, we give one chicken to man who has no chickens.
FARMER: NO!!! That is not good!
OFFICIAL: Why??
FARMER: Because I have two chickens!!!

Our situation...
OFFICIAL: We take away personal doctor and give you everyone's doctor!

yeah that is pretty funny lol

Aggressor Dog wrote:No. The most american thing you can do is speak your mind about politics freely, be it contrary to the President's ideas or not.

Yep. Which is one of the things that kind of gets me riled up about "flag burning" legislation. Do I hate it when people burn US flags? Yes. But I think that that's kind of what makes Amercans Americans. You've got the right to express how you feel about your government, goes all of the way back to the pre-revolutionary years.

jjay3200 wrote:
Come on now. It's not bad enough that they needed to skip school. IMO A good American needs to be able to at least watch our president talk about something non political, without being like that about it.

you cant be forced to do something you dont want to but he is the president and i think what your saying about him is very un american so if your a true american which i know you are you will stand up and support our president [/quote]

If you read his post, you'd maybe understand that he was in support of people listening to him speak.

{ACE}Steve-o wrote:
How can a nation expect an economy to succeed at a time of war?? Has it ever in the past?

Wartime economies tend to be the strongest. War industry creates jobs. WWII was what got us out of the depression, and the Civil War gave us the nudge we needed to hit the Industrial Revolution.

The economy now has less to do with the war and more to do with the fact that every 10 years or so, the bubble bursts. It happened with the dot-coms around 2000, and now it started with the housing market.

The one thing that really grinds my gears, is what former president jimmy carter said that it was un-american and RACIST to not support our president.

On the contrary it is american to express your ideas freely. Calling someone racist though for not supporting another president...especially from the mouth of a former president is just ludicrous.

{ACE}Steve-o wrote:
How can a nation expect an economy to succeed at a time of war?? Has it ever in the past?

Wartime economies tend to be the strongest. War industry creates jobs. WWII was what got us out of the depression, and the Civil War gave us the nudge we needed to hit the Industrial Revolution.

The economy now has less to do with the war and more to do with the fact that every 10 years or so, the bubble bursts. It happened with the dot-coms around 2000, and now it started with the housing market.[/quote]

ahh, good point. Now if we can get the rest of America to realize that so they will not blame the war for our downed economy.

Well, now that we're on the subject of the economy, I'd like to propose a new question...

How much control, if any, does the Federal Government have over the economy?

Bulldog94 wrote:

WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:Freedom is priceless.... very true. Freedom isn't free... true. It takes money to make money..... true

Right now China is loaning us loads of money, they own us to an extent. If they keep giving us these loans they will own us. We could lose our freedom that way also.

Obama was spending money to make money (stimulus package). Wether it works or not? I don't know, but we gave Bush 8 years and now we're in this hole. I'm not saying it's all Bush's fault, but someone is partially responsible and He was The President at the time. I say partially because America has been on a repeating chain of feast and famine since the beginning of the nation. Again I'm not necessarily an Obama supporter, I'm just saying we gave Bush 8 years, Lets at least give Obama more than a short 8 months. If anybody thought we were going to get half-way out of a recession this amount of time, they're crazy. People said he was gonna take our guns and he didn't do that yet, we can have at least that much hope in him.

Correct, Freedom is not Free, Freedom is earned. Bottomline. Not to get off subject but alot of individuals in this country don't appreciate the sacrafises made for them by those who have served in the Armed Forces. There are people who sit around and watch tv thinking it has always been free and For those who call us "Non-Americans" or "Un-Americans" don't relize what Kind of Freedom we have here, the freedoms of Speech and Assembly. The Freedom to do what you freely want. My father once told me that he thinks Every Individual should serve this country in a way that many have served them. I support the Troops and I relize what Freedoms they have given. I think every person should pay attention to those who have served. They don't deserve to be spit upon or called names. They deserve the respect from all the people in our country. But still there are those who are not thankful and sometimes I wonder what kind of world we would live in if we had given up. I can say one thing I would not want to be speaking German right now.

china aint loan us a dang thing the us wont not allow it or take it from them cause they know what china is trying to do and what they want in return

Aggressor Dog wrote:When I'm getting shot at in Afghanistan by enemies of this nation, yes, that is where I will be deployed once I commission, you can call me UnAmerican. I dare you.

I will judge the actions the president makes, as it is my DUTY as an AMERICAN to make sure that my vote is going towards what I voted for. So far everything you ahve said about Obama is based off of OPINION (he is smarter than Bush, he is the greatest leader, he is getting the economy back on track,etc etc), yet you treat everyone else in here like they are fact, and our disputing the fact is met with our labeling as UnAmerican. Bite your tongue before you say that, the people here are very patriotic and I can assure you want nothing but the best for this nation.



no i want OUR nation OUR nation to be at the top because we belong there

Bulldog94 wrote:

{ACE}Steve-o wrote:

Aggressor Dog wrote:When I'm getting shot at in Afghanistan by enemies of this nation, yes, that is where I will be deployed once I commission, you can call me UnAmerican. I dare you.

I will judge the actions the president makes, as it is my DUTY as an AMERICAN to make sure that my vote is going towards what I voted for. So far everything you ahve said about Obama is based off of OPINION (he is smarter than Bush, he is the greatest leader, he is getting the economy back on track,etc etc), yet you treat everyone else in here like they are fact, and our disputing the fact is met with our labeling as UnAmerican. Bite your tongue before you say that, the people here are very patriotic and I can assure you want nothing but the best for this nation.

W00t! Go Paul! +10000000000

I agree on one point you make but Obama spent the same amount of money in his three days of office that Bush spent in all or his 8 years. Now for Bush, I approved of most of his decisions... up until he had the border problems. I believe as a country we moved more towards bigger government when he had started cracking down on the borders. Now was it bad? I cant say it was really bad or good. It depends on the way you see the issue. I just believe we stepped more in the direction of More government. Its times like these that I wish Reagan was still president.

by using un american im not trying to back anyone in this forum into a corner come we all do the same thing on the week end is play airsoft and sports and have fun and i want to make sure that we can have this and that our children and childrens children can live in freedom this great nation the USA and im piss about the border thing to it nags me about that man

Admin wrote:Well, now that we're on the subject of the economy, I'd like to propose a new question...

How much control, if any, does the Federal Government have over the economy?

yeah whats the question as an american i what to make sure that this nation remains a free demortic nation that why i sid what i said look in this forum i look at us look a band of brothers who like to do one main thing and that is play airsoft having fun so

go USA

Admin wrote:

Aggressor Dog wrote:No. The most american thing you can do is speak your mind about politics freely, be it contrary to the President's ideas or not.

Yep. Which is one of the things that kind of gets me riled up about "flag burning" legislation. Do I hate it when people burn US flags? Yes. But I think that that's kind of what makes Amercans Americans. You've got the right to express how you feel about your government, goes all of the way back to the pre-revolutionary years.

jjay3200 wrote:
Come on now. It's not bad enough that they needed to skip school. IMO A good American needs to be able to at least watch our president talk about something non political, without being like that about it.

you cant be forced to do something you dont want to but he is the president and i think what your saying about him is very un american so if your a true american which i know you are you will stand up and support our president

If you read his post, you'd maybe understand that he was in support of people listening to him speak.

{ACE}Steve-o wrote:
How can a nation expect an economy to succeed at a time of war?? Has it ever in the past?

Wartime economies tend to be the strongest. War industry creates jobs. WWII was what got us out of the depression, and the Civil War gave us the nudge we needed to hit the Industrial Revolution.

The economy now has less to do with the war and more to do with the fact that every 10 years or so, the bubble bursts. It happened with the dot-coms around 2000, and now it started with the housing market.[/quote]

please not the flag burning thing when other nations against and who hate us do that it just kills me and makes me mad

{ACE}Steve-o wrote:

{ACE}Steve-o wrote:
How can a nation expect an economy to succeed at a time of war?? Has it ever in the past?

Wartime economies tend to be the strongest. War industry creates jobs. WWII was what got us out of the depression, and the Civil War gave us the nudge we needed to hit the Industrial Revolution.

The economy now has less to do with the war and more to do with the fact that every 10 years or so, the bubble bursts. It happened with the dot-coms around 2000, and now it started with the housing market.

ahh, good point. Now if we can get the rest of America to realize that so they will not blame the war for our downed economy.[/quote]

amen brother your so right about that

jjay3200 wrote:

Bulldog94 wrote:

WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:Freedom is priceless.... very true. Freedom isn't free... true. It takes money to make money..... true

Right now China is loaning us loads of money, they own us to an extent. If they keep giving us these loans they will own us. We could lose our freedom that way also.

Obama was spending money to make money (stimulus package). Wether it works or not? I don't know, but we gave Bush 8 years and now we're in this hole. I'm not saying it's all Bush's fault, but someone is partially responsible and He was The President at the time. I say partially because America has been on a repeating chain of feast and famine since the beginning of the nation. Again I'm not necessarily an Obama supporter, I'm just saying we gave Bush 8 years, Lets at least give Obama more than a short 8 months. If anybody thought we were going to get half-way out of a recession this amount of time, they're crazy. People said he was gonna take our guns and he didn't do that yet, we can have at least that much hope in him.

Correct, Freedom is not Free, Freedom is earned. Bottomline. Not to get off subject but alot of individuals in this country don't appreciate the sacrafises made for them by those who have served in the Armed Forces. There are people who sit around and watch tv thinking it has always been free and For those who call us "Non-Americans" or "Un-Americans" don't relize what Kind of Freedom we have here, the freedoms of Speech and Assembly. The Freedom to do what you freely want. My father once told me that he thinks Every Individual should serve this country in a way that many have served them. I support the Troops and I relize what Freedoms they have given. I think every person should pay attention to those who have served. They don't deserve to be spit upon or called names. They deserve the respect from all the people in our country. But still there are those who are not thankful and sometimes I wonder what kind of world we would live in if we had given up. I can say one thing I would not want to be speaking German right now.

china aint loan us a dang thing the us wont not allow it or take it from them cause they know what china is trying to do and what they want in return

No, we have borrowed a ton from China

|337 wrote:No, we have borrowed a ton from China

Indeed . . . current estimates are that nearly fifty cents of every deficit dollar we spend now is borrowed from China . . . the "stimulus" bill is only stimulating the Chinese economy.

On a technical note, JJAY, you need to post everything you have to say in one post, not 5 posts spread out. It makes for ALOT more room on the page, as well as being a forum rule.

Aggressor Dog wrote:On a technical note, JJAY, you need to post everything you have to say in one post, not 5 posts spread out. It makes for ALOT more room on the page, as well as being a forum rule.

thanks i will do that

Yeah I believe it's around 1.8 billion dollars a day.

jjay3200 wrote:

Aggressor Dog wrote:On a technical note, JJAY, you need to post everything you have to say in one post, not 5 posts spread out. It makes for ALOT more room on the page, as well as being a forum rule.

thanks i will do that

I just merged like 6 of your post together, don't let it happen again please.

I am about to get the rest on this thread to cut down the # of pages.

Continue...

[quote="jjay3200"]

china aint loan us a dang thing the us wont not allow it or take it from them cause they know what china is trying to do and what they want in return
[\quote]
Once again, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. What's unamerican is having know idea what your federal government is doing.

jjay3200 wrote:

Admin wrote:Well, now that we're on the subject of the economy, I'd like to propose a new question...

How much control, if any, does the Federal Government have over the economy?

yeah whats the question as an american i what to make sure that this nation remains a free demortic nation that why i sid what i said look in this forum i look at us look a band of brothers who like to do one main thing and that is play airsoft having fun so

go USA

I already proposed the question!

Jjay, over the last two pages, we haven't even been able to discuss anything because people have been too busy trying to sort through your posts. If you don't follow the rules of the thread, you WILL be kicked out of the thread.

Please use some grammar. This isn't 4chan.

Don't be dissin ma chans Admin....

But we do, as a fact, borrow alot from China. However, China is at the same time very dependant on us, but at this point they are definitly the heavy handed economic winners in their relationship with the U.S.

[quote="Admin"]

jjay3200 wrote:

china aint loan us a dang thing the us wont not allow it or take it from them cause they know what china is trying to do and what they want in return
[\quote]
Once again, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. What's unamerican is having know idea what your federal government is doing.

jjay3200 wrote:

Admin wrote:Well, now that we're on the subject of the economy, I'd like to propose a new question...

How much control, if any, does the Federal Government have over the economy?

yeah whats the question as an american i what to make sure that this nation remains a free demortic nation that why i sid what i said look in this forum i look at us look a band of brothers who like to do one main thing and that is play airsoft having fun so

go USA

I already proposed the question!

Jjay, over the last two pages, we haven't even been able to discuss anything because people have been too busy trying to sort through your posts. If you don't follow the rules of the thread, you WILL be kicked out of the thread.

Please use some grammar. This isn't 4chan.

could we talk about another subject i just want to play some airsoft

[quote="jjay3200"]

Admin wrote:

jjay3200 wrote:

china aint loan us a dang thing the us wont not allow it or take it from them cause they know what china is trying to do and what they want in return
[\quote]
Once again, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. What's unamerican is having know idea what your federal government is doing.

jjay3200 wrote:

Admin wrote:Well, now that we're on the subject of the economy, I'd like to propose a new question...

How much control, if any, does the Federal Government have over the economy?

yeah whats the question as an american i what to make sure that this nation remains a free demortic nation that why i sid what i said look in this forum i look at us look a band of brothers who like to do one main thing and that is play airsoft having fun so

go USA

I already proposed the question!

Jjay, over the last two pages, we haven't even been able to discuss anything because people have been too busy trying to sort through your posts. If you don't follow the rules of the thread, you WILL be kicked out of the thread.

Please use some grammar. This isn't 4chan.

could we talk about another subject i just want to play some airsoft

We all want to play airsoft! This is a thread about politics, and is meant for discussing these kinds of things. We just ask you to 1) Use some grammar and 2) Don't post more than one thread at a time.

WPeake23 [SOTHG] wrote:

We all want to play airsoft! This is a thread about politics, and is meant for discussing these kinds of things. We just ask you to 1) Use some grammar and 2) Don't post more than one thread at a time.

QFT

Lets get back to the topic please. I don't want to lock this thread...