United States Joint Task Force (Airsoft)

Hello,

My name is Danny Bucher and I am writing you today representing the United States Joint Task Force (Airsoft). In our organization I am the recruiting officer and it is my mission really not to recruit but to show Airsoft players of our programs opportunities. We are currently looking for teams in the State of Georgia to be part of the USJTF 1st Infantry Division(Legacy Division).The USJTF is NOT like any National Airsoft organization before it as we work in a Joint common purpose while maintaining our independence as teams and individuals.

If you are interested we ask you to come on by and make your own educated choice on the matter. We have plenty of information on site as well as two unique websites (For the USJTF, and our USJTF Battle Uniform) and our YouTube and Facebook account that you can cruise at your leisure.

Just search USJTF in a Bing Search...You will Find us

For additional questions and information regarding Task Force Operations, or general questions on enlistment I can be reached at the following:

Second Lieutenant Danny Bucher
USJTF Recruiting Officer
Leesville, LA
Phone: 1 (314) 629-2285
E-Mail: usjtfstaff at yahoo.com

Thanks!

Sigh.....I've seen a good dozen plus such wannabe organizations come (and go) in the last 9 years. None of them had anything to offer the players besides onerous restrictions, limitations, attendance and gear requirements, fees, formal hierarchies, leadership of strangers, "awards", and/or big talk (we're going to be huge) and big egos. Call me jaded and cynical at this point. Yes, I have read your website and forum, I even know the KCAC guys from back in the day.
The 1st USJTF "Division" lumps in everyone from 14 states, every single player from GA & FL are in a single unit under a CO that no one in either state even knows (I've checked), much less plays here. Sorry, not interested.

That said, this post is in the wrong place, this area is for out of state games/events.
Good luck on your recruitment drive.

Well I’m not here to defend the program Sir and understand it’s not for everyone. However seems you did not research anything that the program is all about nor the history, participation, or the USJTF Bilaws protecting individual members and member teams from the “Older wannabe organizations” Or "Bad Leadership". Also I don’t think 23 Teams and 800 plus members all across the country and even Paris France is a Wanabe organization. In closing the USJTF is a "NO EGO" Zone something you would have noticed if you would have read the posts. We are free to join, Do not have gear or weapon restrictions, Vote in our leaders from local, regional, and National Areas (so no they are not self appointed), and is a "Part Time" Organization (Meaning you give to it when you would like).

Like I will always say we aren’t for everybody but we respect all players in the sport and their play styles.

Thank you for your comments

So what is the advantage of joining your organization?

Multilevel marketing opportunities?
Good question NJSC.

LT. Dan, this is sadly the downside of having heard much of this all before so many times. You will likely find that you have an uphill battle ahead of you in convincing those who've been in this hobby for more than a couple of years that "this time it is different" (if in fact it turns out to be). You must also be prepared to address questions like NJSC with real and meaningful answers.

Yes, I did read your website. I note you have uniform and gear requirements (see here- http://www.wix.com/usjtfstaff/uniform#!), I note that USJTF Airsoft just started up a month ago, meaning it is not yet a mature and full functioning group, and that as such you have only 92 members (a few less than the 800 you claimed) on your forum (most of whom never posted), yet joining said forum is listed at one of your USJTR membership requirements. I note that your forums are hosted off the old Louisiana airsoft web page (http://louisianaairsoftpro.com/forums/index.php) yet both Black Company and the LA Marauders, long established LA teams in your area, have never heard of your new organization. I note that you are working to get your USJTF "recruitment" award, and of course you have a vested interest in the success of your chosen organization (see also "psychology of previous investment"). I thank you for your service to our country (assuming the Lt. is not honorary), but note that you are not alone in such service. I note that other current claimants to national airsoft organizations, such as American Airsoft Association, Third Coast Airsoft, and Special Forces Airsoft Operations Command also state pretty much the same things you do, yet clearly there can be only one "national" representative organization, and at the very least you need to offer something they do not (or that players cannot get plenty of locally). I will give credit for the emphasis on part time participation, but I note that USJTF has yet to run a single event, much less one in reasonable driving distance of GA players, yet attending at least one per year is a requirement to remain part of the organization. I note that the bylaws which you mention cannot be downloaded (see here- http://louisianaairsoftpro.com/forums/index.php?topic=3.0), much less read, as there is no "download below" to download.
Might be best to check back with us in a year or two, after some of this expected 'growing' has taken place already.
With that I am going to just let this go, feels like I'm whipping a dead equine anyway....

NJSC wrote:So what is the advantage of joining your organization?

well after wading through their YouTube videos and the few posts on their forums....not a lot...at least not anything i haven't seen before in the time i've been playing...they say they have no rank organization,..(see their 13 min. YouTube video for an explanation of their ranks and the responsibilities of each,mainly centered around needing recruit,i.e. "grow", the local member's communities),you give "airsoft special warfare" classes..(WTH?)...lol... as do several of the other groups that fallout already mentioned,and you're pretty much unknown as players or as an organization to just about all of the scene in the very area you are working from....
to the forum members here....i apologize if it seems fallout and i are being harsh on this guy...but in the last 6 months there have been a bevy of these "national organizations" cropping up and all evidence from past experience has shown that at the least ,they generate a stir out of the gate then die quietly for lack of interest...or ,worst case,they do a really great job of fracturing communities they become a part of....personally i don't need to feel more a part of some grander organization where i can earn fake ranks,fake ribbons,fake operator statuses ,etc.....i love just doing this hobby..have for 11 years now...
oh and i love how he uses the line.."well we understand that this org isn't for just everyone.."...implying only "special" players are part of it...lol..
are your members some how better people for being part of this?....are they better players because they took a 1 or 2 day class that teaches them how to move and shoot and they have your "special warfare" tab?.....whatever...sorry if we seem jaded..just tired of seeing this crap popping up all over the place in the last few months....it's like someone gave a "how to run airsoft in 3 easy lessons" seminar somewhere back in the spring...lol

They(my teammates) offer a class on Special Pot Stirring Operations also.....God you fellas have to much time on your hands..lol

It is a hot summer Sunday afternoon, what do you expect?

No join the United Opfor Airsoft Task Force we have way more interesting uniform options......

Gents,

I am MG Crawford the USJTF Commander. I am also a Campaign veteran of three combat zones for this country all around the world with the US Military and a wounded combat veteran with a lot of service time with the US Mil. I have also let Danny use my computer as it was a team party night as I returned home from EL Paso (I was not even there due to a us mil Mission) , TX training troops to go to Afghanistan in FT Bliss,TX so if the IP’s match it’s not a coincidence as we had 34 members over here for that party (As my wife is the commander for the team) and I’m making it my priority to talk to you tonight. Regardless these facts I want to pipe in to the Derogatory comments made to our USJTF Recruiting officer.

First of all gents this program has been operating for the last (3) Months (A year before that as the SEJTF and 4 years before that as the MIWAC) and for the level of involvement I think that’s pretty damn impressive. We have not had the opportunity to prove ourselves out there. However we just hosted our First airsoft Sniper course hosted by MIL and LE professionals out at Westlanko, TX and it was a huge success. We will be posting videos on this event soon on the USJTF Channel. We also hosted 12 Airsoft Special Warfare Courses last year totaling 142 members participating with the SEJTF in that training last year) and if you would have done your history you would have known that one we set the Record for holding back the US forces by 2 hours over the current course time and two that was a direct result of that training as 45% of the people there that received it.

First of all when you automatically dismiss the man what does this do? You cast doubt, suspicion, and mistrust and this is not fair guys. We are supposed to be brothers in the US airsoft community and I am thoroughly disappointed in the Actions you took against this man. So you have a problem with the past “National programs” currently existing well then so be it. We aren’t that way and gentlemen to be blunt as I have already checked the USJTF Forums they are up and ready for your review….you just failed to read them or even worse…..Used a damn excuse to scrutinize this man and for that you all should be damned ashamed for your actions.

Why am I being harsh…Because you all from the start did not want to listen to a damn thing this guy was trying to tell you? You automatically dismissed him, gave him a militarily trial, and ended him VIA executioner even before the evidence was presented. And for that I have no remorse no discourse for your actions. Are you not supposed to represent you community? In this gents you failed miserably and sad to say it’s the damn truth. You will get no sugar coating from me nor respect as you have smeared this man all the way to the damn shitter with these inappropriate comments.

I once went to a field and met “Face to face” with people like you who talked smack over the internet constantly. You know what they said to me during that face on Face convo? NOTHING you know why? It takes 62 calories to type a message online with no courage….It takes 0 Calories to not be a man sit in your chair as they did and not say anything. You know why they did not say anything? Because they were the force pulverized by the USJTF during that day in February at that event and Internet chatter versus an organized force of dedicated personal and it only goes so far (Words).

Our actions as a JOINT FORCE won the day at that even Gentlemen not our words on the Internet. And let me make this clear this message IS NOT directed towards the MEMBERS of the metroatlantaairsoft community. Only the members who make it necessary to direct hate and bigotry to our organization. We do not stand for it nor will we sit idly by and let our fellow airsoft brothers (Or will we say they are) Talk about our brothers in arms around the country or around the world in a way that is disrespectful or hateful.We fully support airsofters with an open mind and dedication to the Airsoft morals and beliefs.

To the admin of this site I fully apologies for these comments but honestly Sir if you let members talk about “National Organizations” with this type of impunity what will this bring to the reputation and integrity of this site as we have 32 member teams and 800 Plus members in the USJTF around the country (BTW Overnight we grew to 34 member teams and 845 member’s)?

Again as 2LT Daniel Bucher Stated Read what the USJTF has to offer HERE:
CHECK OUT OUR RECRUITING SECTION

No disrespect guys ….Unless you earned it by your actions
USJTF6

Actually I saw two people ask valid questions in a irreverent manner. You are an unknown entity here, yet their have been many that made the same claims you have that came and went not with a bang but a whimper. If you talked to me in person we would probably be able to chat civilly, and you would get some of the humor that fails often in an online forum. As people from this area my cohorts seek that any new entity doesn't suck in new players that do not know any better nor have any reference for such groups. Have them build up these players hopes and dreams and then disappear a few months later disappointing those people that put their faith in that new organization. I think rationally you can see how that could be the case. Could they have been more polite about it? Yes. I however hardly see the great insult you feel they have bestowed upon you because you perceive yourself rightly, or not as the "premier" airsoft anything. Would I join your organization? No, not because you are new to me but your playstyle doesn't appeal to me and you seem wound up tight from the start. I would want anyone that does like your playstyle to be forewarned that you may or not be around next month and they should be cautious. I am pretty sure you would do the same for your local group as you want it to be healthy and safe. I do wish you luck.

OK...first off I'm speaking for myself and only myself..not anyone else on this board....but as someone that has played in the Atlanta area since 2004 and been in the hobby since 2001....you'll have to pardon me if i feel a certain responsibility to my fellow players to call BS on something I've seen happen time and again over 11 years...given that most communities have a near 95% turn over of player every 2 or 3 years....it falls to those of us that have been around a bit longer to point out discrepancies and flat out bull....for the benefit of folks that haven't seen it before...so i'll break down you last post..i hate doing this but it's the only way to effectively answer your statements and threats....

USJTF6 wrote:Gents,

I am MG Crawford the USJTF Commander. I am also a Campaign veteran of three combat zones for this country all around the world with the US Military and a wounded combat veteran with a lot of service time with the US Mil. I have also let Danny use my computer as it was a team party night as I returned home from EL Paso (I was not even there due to a us mil Mission) , TX training troops to go to Afghanistan in FT Bliss,TX so if the IP’s match it’s not a coincidence as we had 34 members over here for that party (As my wife is the commander for the team) and I’m making it my priority to talk to you tonight. Regardless these facts I want to pipe in to the Derogatory comments made to our USJTF Recruiting officer.

i'm sorry...but myself and a good number of folks on this board also did the job we volunteered to do and don't feel the need to publicly toot our horn in the first paragraph of our first post....like your self appointed rank there "major general"....especially since you're an E-5 in the real world...

First of all gents this program has been operating for the last (3) Months (A year before that as the SEJTF and 4 years before that as the MIWAC) and for the level of involvement I think that’s pretty damn impressive. We have not had the opportunity to prove ourselves out there. However we just hosted our First airsoft Sniper course hosted by MIL and LE professionals out at Westlanko, TX and it was a huge success. We will be posting videos on this event soon on the USJTF Channel. We also hosted 12 Airsoft Special Warfare Courses last year totaling 142 members participating with the SEJTF in that training last year) and if you would have done your history you would have known that one we set the Record for holding back the US forces by 2 hours over the current course time and two that was a direct result of that training as 45% of the people there that received it.

brag much?.so you had 12 1 to 2 day classes with ..what 11 folks each?...at how much a head?.......everyone get "special warfare" tabs and ribbons and stuff for that?....yeah...

First of all when you automatically dismiss the man what does this do? You cast doubt, suspicion, and mistrust and this is not fair guys. We are supposed to be brothers in the US airsoft community and I am thoroughly disappointed in the Actions you took against this man. So you have a problem with the past “National programs” currently existing well then so be it. We aren’t that way and gentlemen to be blunt as I have already checked the USJTF Forums they are up and ready for your review….you just failed to read them or even worse…..Used a damn excuse to scrutinize this man and for that you all should be damned ashamed for your actions.

....maybe it's you that can't read....as we said,we checked your facebook page ,your youtube channel and your forums and site...personally i spent more than 2 hours wading through all that crap....just so i could try and get a better handle on your operation...

Why am I being harsh…Because you all from the start did not want to listen to a damn thing this guy was trying to tell you? You automatically dismissed him, gave him a militarily trial, and ended him VIA executioner even before the evidence was presented. And for that I have no remorse no discourse for your actions. Are you not supposed to represent you community? In this gents you failed miserably and sad to say it’s the damn truth. You will get no sugar coating from me nor respect as you have smeared this man all the way to the damn shitter with these inappropriate comments.

...so if anyone questions you on anything, we are "smearing" you?....personally, i don't bear any animosity towards dan..he's just working on that recruiting ribbon..but he needs to have a better answer for questions than not everyone is special enough to belong to our group....

I once went to a field and met “Face to face” with people like you who talked smack over the internet constantly. You know what they said to me during that face on Face convo? NOTHING you know why? It takes 62 calories to type a message online with no courage….It takes 0 Calories to not be a man sit in your chair as they did and not say anything. You know why they did not say anything? Because they were the force pulverized by the USJTF during that day in February at that event and Internet chatter versus an organized force of dedicated personal and it only goes so far (Words).

nice story...you're such a hard a$$......doesn't take a lot of calories to write some self serving ,bs story on a forum either..

Our actions as a JOINT FORCE won the day at that even Gentlemen not our words on the Internet. And let me make this clear this message IS NOT directed towards the MEMBERS of the metroatlantaairsoft community. Only the members who make it necessary to direct hate and bigotry to our organization. We do not stand for it nor will we sit idly by and let our fellow airsoft brothers (Or will we say they are) Talk about our brothers in arms around the country or around the world in a way that is disrespectful or hateful.We fully support airsofters with an open mind and dedication to the Airsoft morals and beliefs.

...hatred and bigotry?....that's what people questioning your group is?....really?.....i'm not talking about your brothers in arms...i'm talking about you since you want to come onto an outside forum ,trying to throw weight around you don't have...

To the admin of this site I fully apologies for these comments but honestly Sir if you let members talk about “National Organizations” with this type of impunity what will this bring to the reputation and integrity of this site as we have 32 member teams and 800 Plus members in the USJTF around the country (BTW Overnight we grew to 34 member teams and 845 member’s)?

......wow...really?the reputation of this site is as a clearing site for a metro scene that has thousands of players and more than 8+ operating indoor and outdoor fields running hundreds of players every weekend....not 12 person "classes",not 40 person "events"...hundreds and hundreds of players, EVERY weekend. so i doubt very seriously you can do anything to harm it's reputation.....given that they have a lot more of it than you and your outfit do....
as per your stated numbers.....845? really..guess that's why your forum shows only 97 members as of 5 minutes ago..most of whom seem to all be more generals,cols,majs, etc..you'd think with all that growth you'd have more activity on your groups main means of communicating between units and members...forum stats don't lie....smell like more BS to me...what is no bs is the figures for a couple of our local forums....just as examples..
this forum...
710 users with over 45K posts.....
team airsoft...
1000+ users with over 50k posts.....
so who are you again?

Again as 2LT Daniel Bucher Stated Read what the USJTF has to offer HERE:
CHECK OUT OUR RECRUITING SECTION

No disrespect guys ….Unless you earned it by your actions
USJTF6

first off...learn to use the insert link feature....it's at the top of your posting window....
second..i just want to say how disrespectful i feel your post has been to come into an established community like this one, in need of no outside help and start trying to lean on players,mods and admins like you're some sort of "big fish"......you guys think you have some sort of game? then bring it here....whole states worth of players thought they did..until they got hit with the members of this forum on the field....tell you what,if you're so all encompassing then you ought be able to get out to the largest airsoft event in the eastern US...Fulda Gap...
https://metroatlantaairsoft.darkbb.com/t3582-fulda-gap-2011
500+ players ,great time...just please go nato so i'll get to shoot at you for two days...i'll be there if you feel the need to attempt expending calories explaining your argument....i mean as a big noise in airsoft, how could your group not be at one of the largest events in the US? given from the pics on your site with only around 8 folks you ought to be able to carpool to save gas....maybe you can give a class on team grooming standards or something...


to the admins...i apologize for any issues i might be bringing up...i accept full responsibility for my post and do with me as you see fit.. but after seeing 5 separate "national" groups spring up in the last 8 months,three of them from the TX area..(must be something in the water)..,i'm sick of high handed folks trying to tell established groups what they need and how to do stuff when they aren't even in the same damn state.....or not even close...

"Mom, they were mean to me!"
You climb into someone's backyard, make a lot of noise, and then are surprised and offended that some of the dogs that live there bark at you? Are you that young and naive?

Does this ring any bells, "major general" Napoleon?:
"Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.
Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:
* Believing that you're better than others
* Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
* Exaggerating your achievements or talents
* Expecting constant praise and admiration
* Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
* Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
* Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
* Taking advantage of others
* Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
* Being jealous of others
* Believing that others are jealous of you
* Trouble keeping healthy relationships
* Setting unrealistic goals
* Being easily hurt and rejected
* Having a fragile self-esteem
* Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others.
When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.
But underneath all this behavior often lies a fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better."

I look forward to meeting you in person Bradley, face to face. I'd love to hear about the how and why of your banning from Louisiana Airsoft, and why your team is considered a pariah in the area, and what ever happened to "Iraq, the Experience" at Ft. Polk. Or why you've been stirring up s*** for years on airsoft forums from the pacific northwest to the gulf coast. Example: http://airsoftpacific.com/viewtopic.php?t=20091
For now, I have a couple of butterbars to teach airframe and powerplant PDM and combat battle damage repair techniques to. Perhaps I should be offering these courses in my backyard for a fee.

Just so you guys know, Im watching this, and I will take the appropriate administrative action if necessary.

^ How typical above the admins posting.

A guy gets slammed on your forum; people make fun of him, then they have an A-Type response when someone confronts them about their actions. There was the use of fear mongering, smear tactics, and derogatory one sided statements to try to “Degrade” someone to prove a point (I.E. Narcissistic personality disorder). Then “Flamers” spin a response into a quagmire of perceptions and total misconceptions to skew the topic. Yep I have seen this before many times and it is a knee jerk reaction based off A-Type personalities (I know I work with a lot of them). Then there is talk about Elitism…Typical as this is also a defensive reaction to try and “Degrade” a character of a man. Tell you what you find the word "Elite" anywhere on the USJTF Forums or any of our materiel and I will be happy to take that last comment back

Problem is I’m not buying into it….

I seem to clash heads with Asshats…If they treated players with respect, and with the Airsoft Pacific Forum...Military Members, then I would have no problem with them (Just like I would not have went on here for the same reason). I can care less what is said on forums or what people think about me, or what rumors are spread about a certain game or event as they are perceptions based off of ones and zeroes of a forum board with no real life experiences to back it up.

Fallout11great copy and paste job as I’m happy to see the public education system at its finest. BTW are you a licensed and certified psychologist (Nope)? Also funny how you did not post any of the “Successful” events hosted (No that would not prove the fear mongering you are trying to achieve)?

You all intentionally tried to degrade a man based off of hate and malice. Instead of giving him an open floor and a chance you slammed the door right in his face. This is the topic at hand and instead of addressing the issue head on you sidestep, duck, and weave to avoid it. Regardless of what you say here gents people will read this post and in the end see what this was really all about. A bunch of big fish in a little pond protecting their territory….How sad.

Not much else to say here….I’m out and good luck with the types of attitudes you portray here.

Goodbye, and good luck on your recruitment drive.

Ok, Im really not sure what just happened here, but everyone seems to have gotten their final say in. Dont let this get out of hand again though.

Let me go ahead and remind everyone on this forum of

2) No profanity. If you can't get your point across without swearing, go sit down with a dictionary and learn some better words. If you have to use profanity because somebody on the internet made you angry, get over it. If you chooses to use profanity or try to bypass the swear filter, you will be banned or suspended.

3) No flaming. "Flaming" is defined as insulting or bashing another member. If you have a disagreement with someone, argue your point intelligently.

So if you have a disagreement with something: do not use any sort of profanity, period. If you have a question about whether a word you are about to use is profane or not... don't use it. Also, do not attack someone personally. If you don't like an idea fine, but keep it professional people.

Just want to say again, "3) No flaming. "Flaming" is defined as insulting or bashing another member. If you have a disagreement with someone, argue your point intelligently."


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