ACZ game 6/30/2012

When: Sat, June 30, 5pm – 9pm
Where: 1240 Old Corinth Rd., Newnan, GA 30263

Description: PM AIRSOFT game at ACZ. We'll kick off at 5PM and play till 9PM. This field is home to very new and veteran players. Want a great first time experience or an all out firefight? Airdog is the field you have been looking for. Located roughly 15 minutes outside of Newnan, Airdogs outdoor field has become a home to many of the airsofters in the metro Atlanta area.


Field waiver: http://www.airdogairsoft.com/2012waiver.pdf


Game is still on. See you on the field!

love,

- Wolf six

I don't want to be...idk how to say it...or what to call it but...I don't want to pay money to fund your team. I don't want to pay money for a game that funds ANY team. I want to pay the host of the game for the expenses to put the game on and I would only want my money going to them or some sort of charity that I agree with. I find it just...very strange that your team is being donated too....I know the Aggressor Platoon is self funded and we have thought about doing some airsoft event to help raise funds but we nixed it because we have a hard time coming up with a game in which we put something extra that only we could provide for airsofters that would be an acceptable tradeoff for the proceeds being donated to us, something that would draw a big crowd for the host so that in the end our involvement and percentage received from the game outweighs the loss of revenue from donating to us. We've never considered just asking for a handout. I rarely meet someone who is willing to do that...Its almost insulting to see someone leeching onto the host of a game and pulling funds out of them with no turnaround for them. I guess this sounds offensive towards you guys but...I seriously gotta say...does ANYONE on this forum want to fund another airsoft team while the rest of us pay for our airsofting out of our own pockets?

if the game was hosted and ran by apex @ ACZ, then there's no problem...

Who pays the bills to run ACZ Alex? And the insurance? This game is being run by AirDog. It says so in the description.

Aggressor wrote:I don't want to be...idk how to say it...or what to call it but...I don't want to pay money to fund your team. I don't want to pay money for a game that funds ANY team. I want to pay the host of the game for the expenses to put the game on and I would only want my money going to them or some sort of charity that I agree with. I find it just...very strange that your team is being donated too....I know the Aggressor Platoon is self funded and we have thought about doing some airsoft event to help raise funds but we nixed it because we have a hard time coming up with a game in which we put something extra that only we could provide for airsofters that would be an acceptable tradeoff for the proceeds being donated to us, something that would draw a big crowd for the host so that in the end our involvement and percentage received from the game outweighs the loss of revenue from donating to us. We've never considered just asking for a handout. I rarely meet someone who is willing to do that...Its almost insulting to see someone leeching onto the host of a game and pulling funds out of them with no turnaround for them. I guess this sounds offensive towards you guys but...I seriously gotta say...does ANYONE on this forum want to fund another airsoft team while the rest of us pay for our airsofting out of our own pockets?

i see what you're saying and agree. i would see if it was for a charity or something but just for a local team? just so you can what... buy guns, gear, and attend more games? i don't exactly see why a team deserves a fundraiser.

Aggressor wrote:Who pays the bills to run ACZ Alex? And the insurance? This game is being run by AirDog. It says so in the description.

same as running a car wash on someone's property... if they get the approval and do all the work, i don't see why they shouldn't get some funding. but if they aren't doing any work and getting something for nothing, that's a different story.

^OK. I see what you are saying.

Hmm, Both of you have valid points. I find myself conflicted.

wolf six wrote:
Currently all the guns and gear my team is in possession of are maintained or paid for by the members.

Im pretty sure 99 percent of the teams in GA fund themselves and pay for everything on their own. Im not trying o sounds like an @!%hole, Im just saying, it not like the rest of us are sponsored and your team isnt.

there are 3 teams that are getting free tech services... LoL

-a|ex wrote:there are 3 teams that are getting free tech services... LoL

Not by us. You may want to clarify that so people don't think free services are given out by us since this thread is about us.

Rhino wrote:

-a|ex wrote:there are 3 teams that are getting free tech services... LoL

Not by us. You may want to clarify that so people don't think free services are given out by us since this thread is about us.

yes i should clarify: KSK, black sunset and mad crew are getting free tech services and sometimes parts from yours truely. they also get free transportation and sometimes free lunch and dinner... LoL

I would never attend something like this. You are asking other airsofters to buy you stuff. The concept to me is absolutely ridiculous.

Retherford wrote:I would never attend something like this. You are asking other airsofters to buy you stuff. The concept to me is absolutely ridiculous.

you wouldn't pay to play airsoft? LoL

you guys are over thinking this. how much do you pay to play? does it matter where the money goes? airdog approves of this, so why does it matter?

ZARTAN came to us and asked us to help him run a game, we have partaken in many airdog renovations and done alot for the company. so no one say we are mootching or anything like that. i really dont care who shows up, as far as im concerned its a regular ACZ game. with minimal proceeds going towards getting our teams uniforms together for the ones who cant quite get them. its your decision if you come or not, but lets not start a freakin argument over something as petty as this.

I am actually planning on coming to this game. But I don't want to fund your team. I truly do care where my money goes. If I have no choice but to pay another airsoft team to help run a game, after watching so many other teams, Dagger Unit included, help AirDog run games, do photoshoots, organize massive OPs, and ref for tournaments, without getting paid (none the less not even asking to get paid) then there is no way I am going. The entire community has been behind AirDog from day one, before yall even arrived. We have all put in our effort to help AirDog out because we genuinely love their services and consider them personal friends. I've never seen anyone expecting a cut of the profit for lending a helping hand to AirDog, and I find it troubling that its even on the table.

take it as you wish but its happining regardless so....... not to mention we are kinda sponsered by airdog, There has been alot of good people that helped out with alot for airdog, thats not my problem, i just do what im asked.

Sorry but this all make me laugh. I don't post much - but this thread has been entertaining. My .02= Telling people the game will benefit a certain team, not the brightest move. Just from reading these boards, and although I don't know them personally, Team Apex has a lukewarm following and if the team thinks differently- well that seems delusional.
Then comes the argument of wanting to know "where your money goes" - do you audit each and every business you patronize to follow the trail of money? I'm sure at some point in everyone's life they have purchased a good or service and subsequently their money has gone somewhere they didn't intend.
Cut though most of the chatter- and it seems more "personal" than the simple exercise of financial freedom.

In sum- Wolf Six- If you are helping run the game- but Airdog is the operator- You should have not said a word about a fundraiser and viewed the money Airdog "pays" you as wages--and then apply those "wages" to your team. No need to broadcast all intentions. I only feel by doing this you may have affected the turnout.

the thing is though haters gonna hate, we dont have to be liked by everyone on here, heck i dont like half of the people on here, if they dont come they dont come. im not loosing sleep over it.

haters? I don't think a guy just posting saying "look I don't support you" qualifies as a hater. Honestly I don't like the idea either. You don't have uniforms? Play in jeans. Everyone else here did except maybe Twitch. I'd like to know the extent to your "pretty much" sponsorship. So do you advertise for them on a larger scale? Statewide? National?
You have to understand the last time that a team was declared "sponsored" by a field we had a airsoft fiasco. So this idea doesn't sit well with us who have been around a while.
No offense but getting uniforms for a team just doesn't seem like that worthy of a cause for quite a few of us. Whenever DU has been involved with OPs we've donated to actual charities like "Wounded Warrior Fund." Now if you've got a deal worked out with AD then great. You are correct we don't have to come, but also before coming off so flippant, don't more ticket sales mean more "donations" to your team uniform fun? So really you do care if people show up because then you get cash.

wolf six wrote:
part of the revenue from this game will be used to help fund my team Apex airsoft. Currently all the guns and gear my team is in possession of are maintained or paid for by the members. Any type of funding would be a godsend to us. If you would like to bring your team out to play, bring 'em. Apex will be there. We would enjoy going plastic to face against any other team

this just makes it sound like you guys are going to this game and getting paid to play at it... which would make other players ask why am i not being paid to go to a game and why do i have to pay another team to go to this game?... this is just what it sounds like from the first post....

LoL, someone who doesn't support a certain team is a hater... if he didn't care, then he would not have posted openly how much he doesn't want to support a certain team. a non hater would just let it go (no post replies) and not even bother attending the game.

why is apex hated on? must be an ego trend against other teams.

cagcmc@gmail.com wrote:

wolf six wrote:
part of the revenue from this game will be used to help fund my team Apex airsoft. Currently all the guns and gear my team is in possession of are maintained or paid for by the members. Any type of funding would be a godsend to us. If you would like to bring your team out to play, bring 'em. Apex will be there. We would enjoy going plastic to face against any other team

this just makes it sound like you guys are going to this game and getting paid to play at it... which would make other players ask why am i not being paid to go to a game and why do i have to pay another team to go to this game?... this is just what it sounds like from the first post....

then do something about it, get sponsored... LoL
when i raced professionally, i had a local mac tool sponsorship. the other teams didn't b*tch about it.

thank you for your support alex, or Mr. marcelo whichever you prefer. we are not getting payed to play, we will be reffing and doing other game related tasks, and most of us have all of our gear, but with an expanding base of members who dont always have the money to equip there selves it helps. And yes we spread the airdog word, i go to all feilds around ga and talk up airdog, pass out buisness cards and refer players to the airdogshop.

NJSC wrote:haters? I don't think a guy just posting saying "look I don't support you" qualifies as a hater. Honestly I don't like the idea either. You don't have uniforms? Play in jeans. Everyone else here did except maybe Twitch. I'd like to know the extent to your "pretty much" sponsorship. So do you advertise for them on a larger scale? Statewide? National?
You have to understand the last time that a team was declared "sponsored" by a field we had a airsoft fiasco. So this idea doesn't sit well with us who have been around a while.
No offense but getting uniforms for a team just doesn't seem like that worthy of a cause for quite a few of us. Whenever DU has been involved with OPs we've donated to actual charities like "Wounded Warrior Fund." Now if you've got a deal worked out with AD then great. You are correct we don't have to come, but also before coming off so flippant, don't more ticket sales mean more "donations" to your team uniform fun? So really you do care if people show up because then you get cash.

i have made multiple donations to charities of many varieties, i give to shriners al the time and i volunteer at the griffin VFW, just this week a drove a homeless guy to locust grove. i could have been stabbed.