Perks in airsoft?

Twitch wrote:Is this game going to have perks? If I can add my input I would say NO PERKS. the best games in my opinion have simple objectives to complete, and no perks.

Jaguar12airsoft wrote:
I'd agree, but a little to soon to say no perks. I think that the use of perks would depend on team strength, numbers, terrain advantages/disadvantages, etc.

Aggressor wrote:I'm with Twitch on that one. No perks. No trying to make sure the playing field is even the entire time. If one team is suffering, so what. Put more players on their team for the next round. The perks at OP Blackhawk were disastrous.

Twitch wrote:Yeah. I remember how at at the end of Red Dragon, it was like 30 vs 80 or something like that. did we have any perks? No. Did we lose? Yeah, but it was still a blast and we almost won. And I remember how at OCD how the Swat team I was on was being DESTROYED by the Cartel teams. But we never had any perks and it was actually pretty fun trying to fight you way out of it.

Simply put, Imo. Perks ruin the game. Objectives like find the parts to the helicopter? ok cool. Find the parts to the helicopter so you can use it at seemingly random times through out the game when you need it? not cool. Not cool at all.

savoy6 wrote:perks = more COD stupidity finding it's way into airsoft.......

Aggressor wrote:

I'm going to throw out a perk that I know everyone can agree was a disaster, and even when brought up, was not fixed, and is just proof positive of the failure of the perk system. Brace for it. Brace for iiiitttt......

NIGHTCRAWLERS

No one wants to see that again. /thread

wolf six wrote:

i still have scars from that, i think perks are fun. I like the gunship one in black hawk. Because it allowed you to drop troops into the heart of a fight and re-enforce a fight. i just wish we could get an ac-130 that would be so cool.

poopdaddy wrote:
i think the point of perks like that are to give you a advantage when you need it.

its like time out in football
if i have three perks and you have three perks
if you use up all yours in the first half of the game
and i save mine and use them the last half and win
then that was wise on my part

AK-Andrew wrote:IN OpBH, some kind of mechanic or "perk" was absolutely nessasary to break the inevitable stalemates that deadlocked the center of the field all day. Played end to end, the field is an hourglass, making strategic flanking near impossible. The helicopter thing was a good idea, badly implemented and excecuted.
First, it was only revealed in the final moments before the game started. Many players had vague or no idea how it worked, or even why they should use it.
Second, it was immediately warped by dishonest players whose first thoughts were not of how to strategically use the perk within the set rules, but rather how to use the perk to gain an unfair advantage in a way that it was not ment. Cheating. Some guys holding the rope and others not? Thats not "against the rules", but it's low and dishonest.

As well: "keeping the missions and perks Secret" from the players in the days and weeks leading up to an OP to "build suspense", is wrong.
"You'll get your Missions on the fly...as the battle happens"....Oh really?
So in the middle of the extreme chaos of an airsoft game, you're going to try to make it more confusing? Sounds like a cop-out to working.

If the field and scenario are good, then little or no "perks" should be needed. In Mil SIMULATION, you are trying to take as much of the "Make Believe" out of it as possible. There's enough LARPing as it is.

It's even worse when the Perks are used as punishment....One team's doing well, so the other team gets a Perks to "even it out"? What you are actually doing is retarding Victory. If your goal is to keep giving Perks to the losing side to balance the game, how can there be a winner. Are you trying to prevent a winner? Let the winner Win!


You take twenty minute to assault and overwhelm this building. How many rounds? How much sweat? How many tears?...maybe even a wee scratch of blood..LoL..
ADmin: "Ok,everybody in this building is dead. Airstrike. Pull out your dead rags...Airstrike..everybody dead."

.....Are you kidding me? lOl

poopdaddy wrote:

remember
at blackhawk paul and i had control over our perks
not the airdog staff

so the blood sweat and tears to get to that point was great playing
the airstrike on that point was good leadership
thats key
its a asset to use when you need it

Aggressor wrote:I think perks would work in an ideal world, but people take advantage of them. I don't want to start any drama, but at Blackhawk the perks were completely taken advantage of, nothing fair about any of that. I'd like to see a game that focuses more on equal footing from the get go instead of strange lopsided intros or uneven spawn points, etc, that get "balanced" by perks.

I'm going to throw out a perk that I know everyone can agree was a disaster, and even when brought up, was not fixed, and is just proof positive of the failure of the perk system. Brace for it. Brace for iiiitttt......

[size=18] NIGHTCRAWLERS [/size

No one wants to see that again. /thread

AK-Andrew wrote:IN OpBH, some kind of mechanic or "perk" was absolutely nessasary to break the inevitable stalemates that deadlocked the center of the field all day. Played end to end, the field is an hourglass, making strategic flanking near impossible. The helicopter thing was a good idea, badly implemented and excecuted.
First, it was only revealed in the final moments before the game started. Many players had vague or no idea how it worked, or even why they should use it.
Second, it was immediately warped by dishonest players whose first thoughts were not of how to strategically use the perk within the set rules, but rather how to use the perk to gain an unfair advantage in a way that it was not ment. Cheating. Some guys holding the rope and others not? Thats not "against the rules", but it's low and dishonest.

As well: "keeping the missions and perks Secret" from the players in the days and weeks leading up to an OP to "build suspense", is wrong.
"You'll get your Missions on the fly...as the battle happens"....Oh really?
So in the middle of the extreme chaos of an airsoft game, you're going to try to make it more confusing? Sounds like a cop-out to working.

If the field and scenario are good, then little or no "perks" should be needed. In Mil SIMULATION, you are trying to take as much of the "Make Believe" out of it as possible. There's enough LARPing as it is.

It's even worse when the Perks are used as punishment....One team's doing well, so the other team gets a Perks to "even it out"? What you are actually doing is retarding Victory. If your goal is to keep giving Perks to the losing side to balance the game, how can there be a winner. Are you trying to prevent a winner? Let the winner Win!


You take twenty minute to assault and overwhelm this building. How many rounds? How much sweat? How many tears?...maybe even a wee scratch of blood..LoL..
ADmin: "Ok,everybody in this building is dead. Airstrike. Pull out your dead rags...Airstrike..everybody dead."

.....Are you kidding me? lOl

bulloch proof wrote:

AK-Andrew wrote:IN OpBH, some kind of mechanic or "perk" was absolutely nessasary to break the inevitable stalemates that deadlocked the center of the field all day. Played end to end, the field is an hourglass, making strategic flanking near impossible. The helicopter thing was a good idea, badly implemented and excecuted.
First, it was only revealed in the final moments before the game started. Many players had vague or no idea how it worked, or even why they should use it.
Second, it was immediately warped by dishonest players whose first thoughts were not of how to strategically use the perk within the set rules, but rather how to use the perk to gain an unfair advantage in a way that it was not ment. Cheating. Some guys holding the rope and others not? Thats not "against the rules", but it's low and dishonest.

As well: "keeping the missions and perks Secret" from the players in the days and weeks leading up to an OP to "build suspense", is wrong.
"You'll get your Missions on the fly...as the battle happens"....Oh really?
So in the middle of the extreme chaos of an airsoft game, you're going to try to make it more confusing? Sounds like a cop-out to working.

If the field and scenario are good, then little or no "perks" should be needed. In Mil SIMULATION, you are trying to take as much of the "Make Believe" out of it as possible. There's enough LARPing as it is.

It's even worse when the Perks are used as

punishment....One team's doing well, so the other team gets a Perks to "even it out"? What you are actually doing is retarding Victory. If your goal is to keep giving Perks to the losing side to balance the game, how can there be a winner. Are you trying to prevent a winner? Let the winner Win!


You take twenty minute to assault and overwhelm this building. How many rounds? How much sweat? How many tears?...maybe even a wee scratch of blood..LoL..
ADmin: "Ok,everybody in this building is dead. Airstrike. Pull out your dead rags...Airstrike..everybody dead."


Wow I came at last min to see prospect glad I was not there
.....Are you kidding me? lOl