Everything 40K Thread

Isn't weird how the guys in red from startrek always get killed first? Even in the movie that recently came out it happened lol.

Spectre wrote:

Q-bald wrote:Oh yea. Nerd here too .......The red shirt guy is always the sacrificial lamb

Yup, I actually have one of those shirts in my closet that has expendable written on it. lol

Awesome....Sry to go off topic but My older bro in California is a Star Trek Freak...He even Got married on the deck of the Enterprise.
They have a full scale replica of it in Vegas including actors in full alien makeup and costumes. He said it was a blast.He wore a Starship Captians dress uniform and everything.

Q-bald wrote:

Spectre wrote:

Q-bald wrote:Oh yea. Nerd here too .......The red shirt guy is always the sacrificial lamb

Yup, I actually have one of those shirts in my closet that has expendable written on it. lol

Awesome....Sry to go off topic but My older bro in California is a Star Trek Freak...He even Got married on the deck of the Enterprise.
They have a full scale replica of it in Vegas including actors in full alien makeup and costumes. He said it was a blast.He wore a Starship Captians dress uniform and everything.

That is awesome. Maybe whoever has the misfortune of marrying me will be open to that. lol

Now, back to 40k, Paul, who do you think that mystery man is?

Probably the character who ends up betraying everyone in the end.

Aggressor Dog wrote:Probably the character who ends up betraying everyone in the end.

I really hope the Ultramarines do not have such a stain to their honour.

I play 40k. Eldar FTW!

Being born Eldar is a defect. It leads to being purged.

I too field an eldar army but the Astartes will always be my first love. They are just way too cool. And my space marine army has never been beaten.

Aggressor Dog wrote:Being born Eldar is a defect. It leads to being purged.

The Eldar had already existed for millions of years old before the first Human Ancestor entered the Universe (which includes Space Marines).

And only Necrons existed before the Eldar.

So being born Eldar, gives you a guarantee of at least killing 100 or so Imperials, if the need were ever to arise. And at least taking down a few hundred Imperials planets (that were originally the Eldar's) with their Craftworlds

My bud runs an Eldar Army, I cant beat it with my SpaceMarines, but I can tear it apart with my Necrons.

Hans, can you do Spectre and I a favor? Can you post the next question for discussion? It would be nice to have a change in pace. If you know enough to tell that the Necrons came before the Eldar than Im sure you have enough knowledge on the lore to put up a pretty good question. Thanks dude!

Sure man. I'll try my best, lol

So a Tau Empire Task force recently excavated an abandoned planet. The planet was recently vacated by a group of Eldar Exodites, which were exterminated by the Tau task force. Afterwards, the Tau found an ancient artifact within, and which was transported to the planet of Tau for experimentation. Message of this arrived at the Eldar craftworlds, and the Farseer council concluded that the same artifact contained thousands of Ancient Eldar secrets, that if revealed, could spell the end for the dwindling race. So The recently reinstated Prince Yriel is to lead the whole Craftworld Iyanden (and possibly more? Whatever seems correct) to retrieve the stolen artifact in an all out war with the Tau Empire. Who would be the winner of this outcome? And remember that they would have to make it to the center of the Tau Empire.


I don't know enough of the Tau's maximum power to say, so i'll wait for your guys' opinon

The Tau are very tenacious groundfighters thats for sure, their technology in terms of ranged firepower and unit tracking (being able to shoot down extremely swift enemy as well as enemies that utilize "phasing" techniques, like WarpSpiders) is almost unmatched elsewhere in the galaxy. I would definitly count them to be able to hold their own defensively in ground battles. However, the Tau are no where near as skilled in Space warfare as the Eldar. It would just be a matter of the Eldar taking down the Naval capability of the Tau at their center and then killing from the skies. I believe that the Eldar have the ability to launch a very stealthy and swift strike deep into Tau territory, right to their center planet, destroy the Tau Naval defenses around said planet, bombard the main Tau forces from the skies, and send in some very skilled Aspect Units to recover the artefact, then slip away into nonethingness before a fullscale war erupted. Given, the Eldar would take a huge risk by doing this, and I cant say just how much damage they would take, but I am confident that they could accomplish this and slip away without resorting to fullscale war. The Eldar have the Naval speed, stealth, power, and experience to accomplish this goal, the only thing they need to worry about is the Tau's ability to destroy Eldar infantry on the ground. While the Tau arent good hand ot hand fighters, they are incredibly accurate with very powerful weapons, if they keep the Eldar at arms length in a ground battle, it would make things very difficult for the Eldar.

The Eldar likely win this. The Tau are upstarts in a very old universe. The Eldar, with the guidance of their farseers, are able to circumvent the worst of the Tau defenses. Against the Fury of multiple Eldar craftworlds, Ulthwe included, the Tau would not stand a chance. The Eldar would have to pay a price, but compared to the devastation that would be sewn amongst the Tau, it would be as a drop of water in the Ocean. Also, considering the advantages of the Eldar webway, they most likely have a webway get right in the heart of the Tau empire, which means, they Tau are screwed eight ways from Sunday. There are also any number of Eldar ships that have never been bested in battle which rarely see the light of day because the Eldar are vague and mysterious and do everything their own way. The Eldar aspect warriors are the match of anything the Tau can throw out, and the Tau battlesuits would have no chance against the might of the Eldar wraithlords. The Tau Ethereals do not have even half the power of most farseers such as Eldrad Ulthran who was old when the Emperor was born. (Keep in mind the Emperor was around in the time of the Romans.)

The Eldar win.

Finally, a topic about the Tau!

Anyways, the first thing you have to remember about the Tau is that they don't defend. They focus on multiple strikes against their enemies. They are only concerned with the destruction of their enemy; they don't care about the ground they stand on. If enemy forces were to attack a city, the Tau would evacuate the city and use it as a trap for the enemy.

Assuming that the webway gets the Eldar close, but not at T'au, the Tau would lose the first engagement easily. But once the Tau figure out what the Eldar want (it's pretty simple. Ancient artifact that the took from Eldar would probably get a response), they would evacuate all non-military personnel in the probably path the Eldar would take. The Tau would then commence raids against the Eldar ships, bombarding the fleet with their torpedoes or railguns, doing as much damage as they can before leaving as quickly as they arrived. They probably couldn't do a lot of damage to the Eldar, but they would try.

When the Eldar finally got to T'au, the entire area surrounding the building with the artifact would be evacuated, if not most of the planet. The Tau would wait for the Eldar to retrieve the artifact before springing the trap and engaging the Eldar forces. Whether or not it works depends on too many other factors. The Tau would likely set up at positions hard to reach by melee troops, and always with a screen of Kroot. In a city, the Battlesuits would likely by the main reason of Tau success if the Tau succeeded. Hammerheads with railguns would hunt down enemy armor and walkers, allowing the Battlesuits to engage the Eldar infantry with Plasma rifles to take down the harder Eldar targets and burst cannons (rapid-fire pulse carbine) for the softer ones.

The ground battle would probably be decided by the Eldar's ability to break through the perimeter of the trap. I think the Tau would be able to win the fight if they managed to keep the Eldar trapped and destroy any rescue attempt. However, considering the sheer amount of force contained on the Craftworlds, I doubt the Tau could do so. The Tau would probably lose because they didn't have enough forces to fight the Eldar. The Barracuda screen would eventually fail against the onslaught of Eldar fighters, and once the Eldar have air superiority, the Tau would be compromised as Eldar fighters take out Hammerheads, disabling the primary Tau anti-armor which would allow Falcons to extract the Eldar.

So, I'm going to say Eldar win. Unless the Tau could move a lot more military into T'au, Eldar would win through larger numbers.

The Eldar are also going to win through sheer military prowess and psychic ability. They are unmatched in the 40K universe as far their power over the Warp. The Tau ships would stand very little chance against the combined might of two or more Eldar craftworlds, and it is highly unlikely that a Farseer of Ulthran's power (one of the most likely farseers to be on this mission) would not see the trap, and simply use it to his own advantage. The Eldar are an ancient and mysterious race, and it is unknown what the true extent of their powers are. In the tabletop game, this could be anyone's match, but just going by 40K lore alone, then the Eldar most definitely win, albeit not without cost to themselves.

Hans wrote:
Farseer council concluded that the same artifact contained thousands of Ancient Eldar secrets, that if revealed, could spell the end for the dwindling race.

The Tau reveal the secrets and pwn the Eldar.

Admin wrote:

Hans wrote:
Farseer council concluded that the same artifact contained thousands of Ancient Eldar secrets, that if revealed, could spell the end for the dwindling race.

The Tau reveal the secrets and pwn the Eldar.

It is unlikely the Tau would have sufficient time to unlock the secrets.

Ok so next question goes to either Admin or Quex....

Ok, who would win, Super Saiyan 3 Goku or one of the Eldar?

Majin Go-geta (The fused form of GoKu and Vegeta, in Majin mode)

Ok but time for serious question.

Admin wrote:Ok, who would win, Super Saiyan 3 Goku or one of the Eldar?

Melee only? I think Asurmen or one of the Phoenix lords could be a good opponent for Goku. Espcially Asurmen, Considering that he will have his 4+ invulnerable save if he were to lose his armour save from the Kamikamiha blast.


But yeah, thanks for all the feedback on my question. I completly forgot that the Eldar could use the Warpspace to make it straight to T'au.

Hans wrote:

Admin wrote:Ok, who would win, Super Saiyan 3 Goku or one of the Eldar?

Melee only? I think Asurmen or one of the Phoenix lords could be a good opponent for Goku. Espcially Asurmen, Considering that he will have his 4+ invulnerable save if he were to lose his armour save from the Kamikamiha blast.


But yeah, thanks for all the feedback on my question. I completly forgot that the Eldar could use the Warpspace to make it straight to T'au.

I am very well acquainted with 40K lore lol. I honestly enjoy the lore more now than the game, so I rarely play tabletop anymore.

I still love the tabletop, but my best tabletop bud hasnt played with me in months

Aggressor Dog wrote:I still love the tabletop, but my best tabletop bud hasnt played with me in months

The guys up at GW at Mall of GA are super cool, and they'd definitly play with you if no one else was there